Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First
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@scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?
What? I've never seen that. The default in Google and Outlook is newest first. The only thing that makes sense so you don't have to scroll to the bottom every time to check mail.
The default in outlook is "Conversations view" and that's not the same as "newest first".
Yes it is. The newest mail you receive in the conversation is what it is sorted by. It works great for me.
If I need to find an older email, I'll search and find it quicker anyways, instead of guessing the date and scrolling around trying to find it.
I think Google is newest first email, but oldest first inside the conversation making it supremely confusing.
No, I currently use conversation view in Google and have not changed the default sorting. Conversation view does show the newest first. That's the one it shows in the list.
When you click into the email itself, it shows newest at the bottom, automatically takes you there, and hides the rest.
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@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?
What? I've never seen that. The default in Google and Outlook is newest first. The only thing that makes sense so you don't have to scroll to the bottom every time to check mail.
The default in outlook is "Conversations view" and that's not the same as "newest first".
Yes it is. The newest mail you receive in the conversation is what it is sorted by. It works great for me.
If I need to find an older email, I'll search and find it quicker anyways, instead of guessing the date and scrolling around trying to find it.
I think Google is newest first email, but oldest first inside the conversation making it supremely confusing.
No, I currently use conversation view in Google and have not changed the default sorting. Conversation view does show the newest first. That's the one it shows in the list.
When you click into the email itself, it shows newest at the bottom, automatically takes you there, and hides the rest.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, their interface isn't consistent (other than being consistently the worst email experience ever made.) Slow and a train wreck. Constant pop ups, needing to go to different screens for things, OMG I've never hated any messaging system more. Google, I swear, is a secret Microsoft project to make people love Exchange. I never realized how good Exchange was till I had to use Gmail for something. Then it is like "Oh, Exchange is really just fine."
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@scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?
What? I've never seen that. The default in Google and Outlook is newest first. The only thing that makes sense so you don't have to scroll to the bottom every time to check mail.
The default in outlook is "Conversations view" and that's not the same as "newest first".
Yes it is. The newest mail you receive in the conversation is what it is sorted by. It works great for me.
If I need to find an older email, I'll search and find it quicker anyways, instead of guessing the date and scrolling around trying to find it.
I think Google is newest first email, but oldest first inside the conversation making it supremely confusing.
No, I currently use conversation view in Google and have not changed the default sorting. Conversation view does show the newest first. That's the one it shows in the list.
When you click into the email itself, it shows newest at the bottom, automatically takes you there, and hides the rest.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, their interface isn't consistent (other than being consistently the worst email experience ever made.) Slow and a train wreck. Constant pop ups, needing to go to different screens for things, OMG I've never hated any messaging system more. Google, I swear, is a secret Microsoft project to make people love Exchange. I never realized how good Exchange was till I had to use Gmail for something. Then it is like "Oh, Exchange is really just fine."
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@Obsolesce yeah, oldest first in that view. The problem with CV is that you get your email list twice, not once. One is newest first, one is oldest first.
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I think Evolution defaults to oldest email first.
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@black3dynamite said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
I think Evolution defaults to oldest email first.
It does! I worked with that like two days ago and then saw something else do it to. Evolution doing it was one of the things that prompted me to really think about it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?
Yes, I want them in chronological order. Just like this thread is.
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@Pete-S said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?
Yes, I want them in chronological order. Just like this thread is.
Ah, so perhaps ML should be sorted by newest first, and every post separate, rather than grouped by thread (conversation), and post at the end? LOL
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@scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
Conversation view is just useless,
Just want to say I've also hated conversation view. Very hard to find that email and lots of time a repy to an email thread goes off on something else then it gets buried in the thread and impossible to find.
On a related mater. Why can't Outlook & OWA search feature be combined! OWA has better search but takes times to be indexed. Outlook search simply suck balls.
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Does nobody use search? Not that I really ever need to use it, but when I do, it's instant and works 100% of the time.
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@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
Does nobody use search? Not that I really ever need to use it, but when I do, it's instant and works 100% of the time.
Search isn't the issue (at least for me personally) I use it constantly and while it works 99% of the time. If I'm searching the wrong thing, then a search won't turn up the results I want.
That is where folders come in, as you can name and view your folders so you don't have to remember the search criteria for that 1 email.
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@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
Does nobody use search? Not that I really ever need to use it, but when I do, it's instant and works 100% of the time.
After 1 month with a new email account, I have enough sitting around that search starts taking a long time and is nowhere near instant. I'm kinda jealous that you have that little email filtering through.
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@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
Does nobody use search? Not that I really ever need to use it, but when I do, it's instant and works 100% of the time.
I do many times a day, but it's hard to know what to search for as conversations often lack the terms you'd expect in them.
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I do oldest first in Thunderbird, I like it that way. Since I worked in commerce for a decade, it's always first-come, first-serve. I like to take care of emails from oldest to newest. So the "top" of my list is the old stuff and I work down, and try to keep inbox 0 at least in my main inbox.
For folder which are more like email archives for dumping stuff in, I might switch to newest first since I'm not actively reading through those folders.And, I kind of like conversation view. I use it in Zoho and it's great because I deal with so many clients, I often need to see the previous one or two emails in the chain to remember what's going on.
One thing I've always wished for with email is the ability to edit the headers and content. If there was a way to have my client allow me to change or append the subject line or add some meta-data somewhere to help find this email later, that would be fantastic. And I know some clients let you have tags, but I want a standard, something that permanently gets fixed to the email so any given client could read the extra data.
There was a plugin for Thunderbird that allowed me to edit subject lines, but email needs a standard for adding metadata to emails for archival purposes or just to help with searching and categorizing. -
@travisdh1 said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
Does nobody use search? Not that I really ever need to use it, but when I do, it's instant and works 100% of the time.
After 1 month with a new email account, I have enough sitting around that search starts taking a long time and is nowhere near instant. I'm kinda jealous that you have that little email filtering through.
Same here... and Outlook Sucks at it...
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@dbeato said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@travisdh1 said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
Does nobody use search? Not that I really ever need to use it, but when I do, it's instant and works 100% of the time.
After 1 month with a new email account, I have enough sitting around that search starts taking a long time and is nowhere near instant. I'm kinda jealous that you have that little email filtering through.
Same here... and Outlook Sucks at it...
Most everything was and is done via tickets and slack.
Email stuff is always so specific I know exactly what I am looking for.
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@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
know exactly what I am looking for.
That's totally fine, I can search on Tickets and Slack better than Outlook.
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@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@dbeato said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@travisdh1 said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
Does nobody use search? Not that I really ever need to use it, but when I do, it's instant and works 100% of the time.
After 1 month with a new email account, I have enough sitting around that search starts taking a long time and is nowhere near instant. I'm kinda jealous that you have that little email filtering through.
Same here... and Outlook Sucks at it...
Most everything was and is done via tickets and slack.
Email stuff is always so specific I know exactly what I am looking for.
You are lucky and unusual that email contains so little "noise". If your email gets busy, there is often no word or phrase that you can search on that brings up anything but a massive list of things.
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@dbeato said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@travisdh1 said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
@Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:
Does nobody use search? Not that I really ever need to use it, but when I do, it's instant and works 100% of the time.
After 1 month with a new email account, I have enough sitting around that search starts taking a long time and is nowhere near instant. I'm kinda jealous that you have that little email filtering through.
Same here... and Outlook Sucks at it...
This might not be a ton of emails, but I search all the time and it's always instant in Outlook.
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@bnrstnr instant, yes. Outlook is physically fast. It's "difficulty in finding what you need" that's the issue, I think. I know that it is for me. And that's not Outlook's fault in any way, just a general problem with using search alone to find something in a sea of text.
