Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement
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@Mike-Davis said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech Even with only 4 users, wouldn't that mean create 4 user accounts on the server and then manage 4 user accounts on 4 machines. I supposed you could use the net user command in screen connect, but setting up a domain is so easy. Does the connector for Essentials work when they are not domain joined, or does it domain join them when you run it?
In the environment each user is transient, users move around the office and use whatever computer is available to them. So really a need for only 1 user unless we need to lock down certain directories for managers, owners, etc.
However no need to put complexity where the need does not exist. Creating 4 users (or more) is very easy. Once created not really any need to change them often.
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@LilAng said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
The install is weird. It installs like the regular OS. I thought it didn't install LOL. Then I checked system and it said Server essentials Rok 2019 and you enter the key there. Very different from 2016 and other versions in general.
Yes almost looks like a Windows 10 install. -
But the question remains, are you forced to use it as a DC?
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@Mike-Davis said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
Interesting question. Why would you not want to run it as a domain?
Simplicity, reliability. Running Essentials as a domain introduces a bunch of overhead that you can remove. If the domain isn't adding benefits, adding the complexity of it can be a fair hassle.
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@Mike-Davis said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech Even with only 4 users, wouldn't that mean create 4 user accounts on the server and then manage 4 user accounts on 4 machines. I supposed you could use the net user command in screen connect, but setting up a domain is so easy.
Not as easy as running "net user". One command sequence four times is nothing.
But why the assumption of four user accounts per machine? That's not normal in small businesses. People with AD always assume that, but I've almost never seen an SMB that used more than a couple like that. The "everyone will log in as their own account, and on every machine" theory is an extreme niche edge case, not at all the norm.
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@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@Mike-Davis said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech Even with only 4 users, wouldn't that mean create 4 user accounts on the server and then manage 4 user accounts on 4 machines. I supposed you could use the net user command in screen connect, but setting up a domain is so easy. Does the connector for Essentials work when they are not domain joined, or does it domain join them when you run it?
In the environment each user is transient, users move around the office and use whatever computer is available to them. So really a need for only 1 user unless we need to lock down certain directories for managers, owners, etc.
However no need to put complexity where the need does not exist. Creating 4 users (or more) is very easy. Once created not really any need to change them often.
And "net user" is trivial to manage remotely. Managing AD remotely takes quite a bit more work. Needs solid benefits to offset the overhead.
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@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
But the question remains, are you forced to use it as a DC?
A DC with no joined machines, is just a stand alone machine. Even the old one didn't have to be used for AD. Yes, AD would run, but it would not impact the environment. Using AD was never a requirement, only that no other root was allowed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
But the question remains, are you forced to use it as a DC?
A DC with no joined machines, is just a stand alone machine. Even the old one didn't have to be used for AD. Yes, AD would run, but it would not impact the environment. Using AD was never a requirement, only that no other root was allowed.
Use was not a requirement but setting it up was. I'm trying to find out if there will be any unexpected behavior if I don't promote it.
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Why not just use Linux at this point? If you aren't using AD and don't want any additional overheard. Then just use Linux
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
Why not just use Linux at this point? If you aren't using AD and don't want any additional overheard. Then just use Linux
They have a Windows based application that runs on the server. Linux isn't an option.
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@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
Why not just use Linux at this point? If you aren't using AD and don't want any additional overheard. Then just use Linux
They have a Windows based application that runs on the server. Linux isn't an option.
Why not segregate duties virtually then? Have file shares on Linux and have your app run on Windows?
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
Why not just use Linux at this point? If you aren't using AD and don't want any additional overheard. Then just use Linux
They have a Windows based application that runs on the server. Linux isn't an option.
Why not segregate duties virtually then? Have file shares on Linux and have your app run on Windows?
That wouldn't work for this program. Windows is a requirement for this case.
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@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
Why not just use Linux at this point? If you aren't using AD and don't want any additional overheard. Then just use Linux
They have a Windows based application that runs on the server. Linux isn't an option.
Why not segregate duties virtually then? Have file shares on Linux and have your app run on Windows?
That wouldn't work for this program. Windows is a requirement for this case.
he means for files outside of the program. Word docs and the like.
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@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
Why not just use Linux at this point? If you aren't using AD and don't want any additional overheard. Then just use Linux
They have a Windows based application that runs on the server. Linux isn't an option.
Why not segregate duties virtually then? Have file shares on Linux and have your app run on Windows?
That wouldn't work for this program. Windows is a requirement for this case.
I hear companies say that alot, but they dont always have a valid reason. SMB is SMB.
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Is there any reason to use Essentials vs Windows Server Standard? Is there a good argument to have local hardware vs hosting on the cloud? It would take a while to get hardware costs back on such a small installation for so few users.
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
Why not just use Linux at this point? If you aren't using AD and don't want any additional overheard. Then just use Linux
They have a Windows based application that runs on the server. Linux isn't an option.
Why not segregate duties virtually then? Have file shares on Linux and have your app run on Windows?
That wouldn't work for this program. Windows is a requirement for this case.
I hear companies say that alot, but they dont always have a valid reason. SMB is SMB.
Fine but the question is about Windows 2019 as to if you have to promote it to a DC
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
Why not just use Linux at this point? If you aren't using AD and don't want any additional overheard. Then just use Linux
They have a Windows based application that runs on the server. Linux isn't an option.
Why not segregate duties virtually then? Have file shares on Linux and have your app run on Windows?
That wouldn't work for this program. Windows is a requirement for this case.
I hear companies say that alot, but they dont always have a valid reason. SMB is SMB.
It's not SMB. It's an application.
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My initial question was going to be "why do you need Windows" and it was later answered. My initial recommendation would be virtualize and separate the workloads.
Use the Windows Server Essentials to run this Windows only software, from your hypervisor of choice.
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@scottalanmiller said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@CCWTech said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
Why not just use Linux at this point? If you aren't using AD and don't want any additional overheard. Then just use Linux
They have a Windows based application that runs on the server. Linux isn't an option.
Why not segregate duties virtually then? Have file shares on Linux and have your app run on Windows?
That wouldn't work for this program. Windows is a requirement for this case.
I hear companies say that alot, but they dont always have a valid reason. SMB is SMB.
It's not SMB. It's an application.
No, No. What I meant is to run the app on Windows and do the SMB sharing on Linux.
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@IRJ said in Server 2019 Essentials - Domain controller requirement:
Is there any reason to use Essentials vs Windows Server Standard? Is there a good argument to have local hardware vs hosting on the cloud? It would take a while to get hardware costs back on such a small installation for so few users.
Essentials is cheaper. And there is no use case for the second VM of Standard. Has to be local for performance and reliability. Most customers using the software he is talking about have flaky Internet. And hosting on cloud would be quite expensive given the Windows requirement. Would take no time for the cloud to cost way more than the on-premises deployment.
