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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

      @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

      @scottalanmiller is just as off on this as you are @Dashrender. Imagine if the receptionist called OSHA because you were punching down cables on your block and pinched your finger?

      And you think this applies to what we are discussing how? This is out of the blue and a tangent. Not what anyone here was discussing.

      Is there a specific example to discuss? I've provided one. An employee who has called OSHA over something perceived to be dangerous.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
        last edited by

        @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

        @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

        @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

        @scottalanmiller is just as off on this as you are @Dashrender. Imagine if the receptionist called OSHA because you were punching down cables on your block and pinched your finger?

        And you think this applies to what we are discussing how? This is out of the blue and a tangent. Not what anyone here was discussing.

        Is there a specific example to discuss? I've provided one. An employee who has called OSHA over something perceived to be dangerous.

        We weren't asking for examples. No need for something so weird.

        Employer asks employee to do something unsafe, employee say "no, that's unsafe". Employer says "tough, do it anyway". Employee calls OSHA.

        Simple, obvious, common sense. How it all is supposed to work.

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

          @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

          You know it's not unsafe, you won't get electrocuted and OSHA would say the same.

          So you are saying we DON'T need to worry about OSHA, because ... why?

          I never said that, I said that the Safety Officer (hat if you will) can make a unbiased decision about the request that has been made to the employee from the employer.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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            @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

            @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

            @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

            You know it's not unsafe, you won't get electrocuted and OSHA would say the same.

            So you are saying we DON'T need to worry about OSHA, because ... why?

            I never said that, I said that the Safety Officer (hat if you will) can make a unbiased decision about the request that has been made to the employee from the employer.

            So the receptionist was your safety officer. They fulfilled your requirement but got it wrong. People make mistakes.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

              @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

              @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

              @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

              @scottalanmiller is just as off on this as you are @Dashrender. Imagine if the receptionist called OSHA because you were punching down cables on your block and pinched your finger?

              And you think this applies to what we are discussing how? This is out of the blue and a tangent. Not what anyone here was discussing.

              Is there a specific example to discuss? I've provided one. An employee who has called OSHA over something perceived to be dangerous.

              We weren't asking for examples. No need for something so weird.

              Employer asks employee to do something unsafe, employee say "no, that's unsafe". Employer says "tough, do it anyway". Employee calls OSHA.

              Simple, obvious, common sense. How it all is supposed to work.

              Taking your example

              Employer ask employee to take out trash, employee says no I could slip and fall because of the ice. Employee calls OSHA.

              Wasted effort.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                @scottalanmiller is just as off on this as you are @Dashrender. Imagine if the receptionist called OSHA because you were punching down cables on your block and pinched your finger?

                And you think this applies to what we are discussing how? This is out of the blue and a tangent. Not what anyone here was discussing.

                Is there a specific example to discuss? I've provided one. An employee who has called OSHA over something perceived to be dangerous.

                Actually that kind of crazy happens all the time to OSHA - people call and lodge complaints, and OSHA makes a call to follow up or not. In your example of a receptionist calling - the OSHA person would probably do somethign like this - This is a receptionist - it's likely she has no idea what's safe or not regarding punch downs - thanks for reporting it, we'll log this call. have a nice day.

                Then it would be logged and forgotten.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                  @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                  @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                  @scottalanmiller is just as off on this as you are @Dashrender. Imagine if the receptionist called OSHA because you were punching down cables on your block and pinched your finger?

                  And you think this applies to what we are discussing how? This is out of the blue and a tangent. Not what anyone here was discussing.

                  Is there a specific example to discuss? I've provided one. An employee who has called OSHA over something perceived to be dangerous.

                  We weren't asking for examples. No need for something so weird.

                  Employer asks employee to do something unsafe, employee say "no, that's unsafe". Employer says "tough, do it anyway". Employee calls OSHA.

                  Simple, obvious, common sense. How it all is supposed to work.

                  yep, now, if OSHA says - nope that's considered safe then the employee must do it or they have quit.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                    @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                    @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                    @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                    @scottalanmiller is just as off on this as you are @Dashrender. Imagine if the receptionist called OSHA because you were punching down cables on your block and pinched your finger?

                    And you think this applies to what we are discussing how? This is out of the blue and a tangent. Not what anyone here was discussing.

                    Is there a specific example to discuss? I've provided one. An employee who has called OSHA over something perceived to be dangerous.

                    We weren't asking for examples. No need for something so weird.

                    Employer asks employee to do something unsafe, employee say "no, that's unsafe". Employer says "tough, do it anyway". Employee calls OSHA.

                    Simple, obvious, common sense. How it all is supposed to work.

                    Taking your example

                    Employer ask employee to take out trash, employee says no I could slip and fall because of the ice. Employee calls OSHA.

                    Wasted effort.

                    Maybe, but also reality - and likely in this case OSHA would make a call, and the two would have to live with it.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                      @Dashrender said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                      @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                      @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                      @scottalanmiller is just as off on this as you are @Dashrender. Imagine if the receptionist called OSHA because you were punching down cables on your block and pinched your finger?

                      And you think this applies to what we are discussing how? This is out of the blue and a tangent. Not what anyone here was discussing.

                      Is there a specific example to discuss? I've provided one. An employee who has called OSHA over something perceived to be dangerous.

                      Actually that kind of crazy happens all the time to OSHA - people call and lodge complaints, and OSHA makes a call to follow up or not. In your example of a receptionist calling - the OSHA person would probably do somethign like this - This is a receptionist - it's likely she has no idea what's safe or not regarding punch downs - thanks for reporting it, we'll log this call. have a nice day.

                      Then it would be logged and forgotten.

                      But if the receptionist is the OSHA Safety Person....

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                        @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                        @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                        @scottalanmiller is just as off on this as you are @Dashrender. Imagine if the receptionist called OSHA because you were punching down cables on your block and pinched your finger?

                        And you think this applies to what we are discussing how? This is out of the blue and a tangent. Not what anyone here was discussing.

                        Is there a specific example to discuss? I've provided one. An employee who has called OSHA over something perceived to be dangerous.

                        We weren't asking for examples. No need for something so weird.

                        Employer asks employee to do something unsafe, employee say "no, that's unsafe". Employer says "tough, do it anyway". Employee calls OSHA.

                        Simple, obvious, common sense. How it all is supposed to work.

                        Taking your example

                        Employer ask employee to take out trash, employee says no I could slip and fall because of the ice. Employee calls OSHA.

                        Wasted effort.

                        Sure. Wasted effort is part of the game, nothing changes that. Whether they are calling OSHA and wasting time or calling an inspector. They might not agree with the internal person and call OSHA anyway.

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                          flaxking
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                          OH&S (in Canada) was a part of my apprenticeship schooling. Both the employer and the employee have responsibilities, but if you ever actually report anything that can be traced back to you in a company of less than 200 people, you might as well start job searching.

                          But if your employer still asks you to do something if you tell them you don't think it is safe, it's probably time to start looking anyway. The biggest problem I see is that employees will not tell the employer they think the work is not safe.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @flaxking
                            last edited by

                            @flaxking said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                            OH&S (in Canada) was a part of my apprenticeship schooling. Both the employer and the employee have responsibilities, but if you ever actually report anything that can be traced back to you in a company of less than 200 people, you might as well start job searching.

                            But if your employer still asks you to do something if you tell them you don't think it is safe, it's probably time to start looking anyway. The biggest problem I see is that employees will not tell the employer they think the work is not safe.

                            that's the issue everyone, no employee wants to put their livelihood at risk. It's why there should be an impartial safety officer who comes to a reasonable level for both the business and employee.

                            Even if that safety person is the receptionist!

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                            • JaredBuschJ
                              JaredBusch @DustinB3403
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                              @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                              @flaxking said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                              OH&S (in Canada) was a part of my apprenticeship schooling. Both the employer and the employee have responsibilities, but if you ever actually report anything that can be traced back to you in a company of less than 200 people, you might as well start job searching.

                              But if your employer still asks you to do something if you tell them you don't think it is safe, it's probably time to start looking anyway. The biggest problem I see is that employees will not tell the employer they think the work is not safe.

                              that's the issue everyone, no employee wants to put their livelihood at risk. It's why there should be an impartial safety officer who comes to a reasonable level for both the business and employee.

                              Even if that safety person is the receptionist!

                              Are you going to give all these businesses money to train these people?

                              Shut up already.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
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                                @JaredBusch said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                @flaxking said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                OH&S (in Canada) was a part of my apprenticeship schooling. Both the employer and the employee have responsibilities, but if you ever actually report anything that can be traced back to you in a company of less than 200 people, you might as well start job searching.

                                But if your employer still asks you to do something if you tell them you don't think it is safe, it's probably time to start looking anyway. The biggest problem I see is that employees will not tell the employer they think the work is not safe.

                                that's the issue everyone, no employee wants to put their livelihood at risk. It's why there should be an impartial safety officer who comes to a reasonable level for both the business and employee.

                                Even if that safety person is the receptionist!

                                Are you going to give all these businesses money to train these people?

                                Shut up already.

                                Training is a part of almost every job. "This is how we <insert function>"

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @flaxking
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                                  @flaxking said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                  OH&S (in Canada) was a part of my apprenticeship schooling. Both the employer and the employee have responsibilities, but if you ever actually report anything that can be traced back to you in a company of less than 200 people, you might as well start job searching.

                                  But if your employer still asks you to do something if you tell them you don't think it is safe, it's probably time to start looking anyway. The biggest problem I see is that employees will not tell the employer they think the work is not safe.

                                  In the US those ridiculous protections are only for companies under 11 people. Once you hit 11, you are protected. 10 and under, zero protections.

                                  It's a key reason why I don't often support the idea of "main street" businesses. They are often just ways to dodge employee protection laws.

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                                  • IRJI
                                    IRJ @flaxking
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                                    @flaxking said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                    But if your employer still asks you to do something if you tell them you don't think it is safe, it's probably time to start looking anyway. The biggest problem I see is that employees will not tell the employer they think the work is not safe.

                                    I know quite a few bloodsucking lawyers in my area that would be foaming at the mouth for an oppurtunity like this... Employee reports violation to OSHA and then employee gets fired..

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                                    • coliverC
                                      coliver @IRJ
                                      last edited by

                                      @IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                      @flaxking said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                      But if your employer still asks you to do something if you tell them you don't think it is safe, it's probably time to start looking anyway. The biggest problem I see is that employees will not tell the employer they think the work is not safe.

                                      I know quite a few bloodsucking lawyers in my area that would be foaming at the mouth for an oppurtunity like this... Employee reports violation to OSHA and then employee gets fired..

                                      Whistleblower protections are a pretty big deal in the US.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @IRJ
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                                        @IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                        @flaxking said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                        But if your employer still asks you to do something if you tell them you don't think it is safe, it's probably time to start looking anyway. The biggest problem I see is that employees will not tell the employer they think the work is not safe.

                                        I know quite a few bloodsucking lawyers in my area that would be foaming at the mouth for an oppurtunity like this... Employee reports violation to OSHA and then employee gets fired..

                                        Yeah, good way to get the crap sued out of you. Of course, 99% of employees don't sue no matter what, so it's often a safe bet and that's why companies take those bets.

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403 @coliver
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                                          @coliver said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                          @IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                          @flaxking said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                          But if your employer still asks you to do something if you tell them you don't think it is safe, it's probably time to start looking anyway. The biggest problem I see is that employees will not tell the employer they think the work is not safe.

                                          I know quite a few bloodsucking lawyers in my area that would be foaming at the mouth for an oppurtunity like this... Employee reports violation to OSHA and then employee gets fired..

                                          Whistleblower protections are a pretty big deal in the US.

                                          Still doesn't mean you'd want to continue to work for a company after you've blown that whistle.

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender @DustinB3403
                                            last edited by

                                            @DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                            @coliver said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                            @IRJ said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                            @flaxking said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:

                                            But if your employer still asks you to do something if you tell them you don't think it is safe, it's probably time to start looking anyway. The biggest problem I see is that employees will not tell the employer they think the work is not safe.

                                            I know quite a few bloodsucking lawyers in my area that would be foaming at the mouth for an oppurtunity like this... Employee reports violation to OSHA and then employee gets fired..

                                            Whistleblower protections are a pretty big deal in the US.

                                            Still doesn't mean you'd want to continue to work for a company after you've blown that whistle.

                                            Exactly - and while they might not fire you over being reported - they'll just bide their time and fire you for something stupid later - or just downsize you... at will employment.

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