file sharing in the 21st century

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.

Web or WebDAV mount.

So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.

Web or WebDAV mount.

So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

In very special circumstances, sure. Right now, NextCloud doesn't offer a sync / non-sync option any other way.

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

Remember, the majority of users in the majority of companies only use like 5GB of storage, and mostly just documents. Needing TBs of data is a thing that happens, but normally to very isolated users and user types, and only in some businesses.

We are talking about a shared folder system. Not personal files. Huge difference.

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

Same way as any share, with backups or snaps or versioning.

Donahue

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.

Web or WebDAV mount.

So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

backups, its the only true solution to cryptoware.

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

Remember, the majority of users in the majority of companies only use like 5GB of storage, and mostly just documents. Needing TBs of data is a thing that happens, but normally to very isolated users and user types, and only in some businesses.

We are talking about a shared folder system. Not personal files. Huge difference.

Sure, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Not sure why you think I'm not.

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.

Web or WebDAV mount.

So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

In very special circumstances, sure. Right now, NextCloud doesn't offer a sync / non-sync option any other way.

OneDrive does

scottalanmiller

@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.

Web or WebDAV mount.

So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

backups, its the only true solution to cryptoware.

Versioning protects perfectly. Exablox has 100% ransomeware protection through continuous versioning, for example.

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.

Web or WebDAV mount.

So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

In very special circumstances, sure. Right now, NextCloud doesn't offer a sync / non-sync option any other way.

OneDrive does

I know, but it's crap in general.

Donahue

I dont really want to dive any deeping into MS's pockets if I can avoid it.

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

Same way as any share, with backups or snaps or versioning.

Was really hoping for something a little more elegant. But I realize that’s unlikely to be possible.

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.

Web or WebDAV mount.

So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

backups, its the only true solution to cryptoware.

Versioning protects perfectly. Exablox has 100% ransomeware protection through continuous versioning, for example.

When NC does versioning, does it hide it from the typical file share browsing so that a cryptoware doesn’t know that “backup” is there?
I ask because I’ve never used any type of versioning before.

Dashrender

@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

I dont really want to dive any deeping into MS's pockets if I can avoid it.

What are you using for email? If using O365 you likely already have OneDrive for business

Dashrender

@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.

Web or WebDAV mount.

So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

backups, its the only true solution to cryptoware.

Of course, but assuming you can afford the disk space, not having to restore an entire server because an infected client encrypted a whole drive, that would be nice. Of having a fast way to roll a version back would be required.

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.

Web or WebDAV mount.

So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

backups, its the only true solution to cryptoware.

Versioning protects perfectly. Exablox has 100% ransomeware protection through continuous versioning, for example.

When NC does versioning, does it hide it from the typical file share browsing so that a cryptoware doesn’t know that “backup” is there?
I ask because I’ve never used any type of versioning before.

It has to, as normal file abstractions (like those used by the Windows Explorer or the Linux vfs) don't support the concept of versions, so there is no way to expose them. Until those filesystem abstractions offer their own versioning interface, all versions are invisible through those protocols (SMB, NFS, etc.)

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.

Web or WebDAV mount.

So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

backups, its the only true solution to cryptoware.

Of course, but assuming you can afford the disk space, not having to restore an entire server because an infected client encrypted a whole drive, that would be nice. Of having a fast way to roll a version back would be required.

Versioning often uses very little space.

Donahue

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

I dont really want to dive any deeping into MS's pockets if I can avoid it.

What are you using for email? If using O365 you likely already have OneDrive for business

we currently have hosted exchange, not o365, but I want to switch. We pay way too much. I am not sure what I want to switch to.

scottalanmiller

@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

I dont really want to dive any deeping into MS's pockets if I can avoid it.

What are you using for email? If using O365 you likely already have OneDrive for business

we currently have hosted exchange, not o365, but I want to switch. We pay way too much. I am not sure what I want to switch to.

Zimbra, woot!

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

I dont really want to dive any deeping into MS's pockets if I can avoid it.

What are you using for email? If using O365 you likely already have OneDrive for business

we currently have hosted exchange, not o365, but I want to switch. We pay way too much. I am not sure what I want to switch to.

Zimbra, woot!

HIPAA compliant?

Donahue

@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

Specifically, how are folder structures or other structures, and how does that relate to user accounts?

We make a top level folder for every department.

Examples..

Personal Files (unique to every user)
HR
Accounting / Finance
Executive Management
Photo Gallery

Basically high level things that mimic security groups in the tradition mounted shares world.

I've thought of doing that, with only syncing the relevant department. But I would want to clear a lot of the dead wood from within those folders first. No reason to sync more than necessary.