file sharing in the 21st century
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@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
Third on this boat.
Question for OP. Why do you say you want the sync client? Syncing 6 TB of data is not likely to go well to client machines. Even if you reduce it only to their department folder that could easily be 100’s of GB, also not likely to work well.
Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?
we do not have offline access now. Syncing is mostly so that people, especially our engineering people, can work with a local copy of the drawing they are working on, while also having it in the server. We usually never have the same drawing open by multiple people, so conflicts should be minimal. But if we use sync, then I would have to be very selective about what I set people up with, because syncing 6TB is a no go.
We have two sites, and half of my users access our existing file server over the WAN. I think that syncing may help this.
Mobile access would be a benefit of opening this up to the internet, and is on my mind.
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@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?
I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.
So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?
How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.
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Most of our files are going to not change frequently, so after the initial sync, it should be minimal traffic. Once the 100GB was done, it would only be small changes of single digit MB mostly.
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What problems are assumed to happen based on large sync amounts? Typically we sync nothing close to that size, but size of the sync doesn't create issues normally.
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@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?
I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.
So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?
How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.
If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?
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@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?
I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.
So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?
How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.
If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?
- Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
- Web or WebDAV mount.
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@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
What problems are assumed to happen based on large sync amounts? Typically we sync nothing close to that size, but size of the sync doesn't create issues normally.
I’ve only used OneDrive recently and they just hide sync all the time and have to resync constantly.
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Remember, the majority of users in the majority of companies only use like 5GB of storage, and mostly just documents. Needing TBs of data is a thing that happens, but normally to very isolated users and user types, and only in some businesses.
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@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
What problems are assumed to happen based on large sync amounts? Typically we sync nothing close to that size, but size of the sync doesn't create issues normally.
I’ve only used OneDrive recently and they just hide sync all the time and have to resync constantly.
hide sync?
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@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?
I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.
So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?
How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.
If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?
- Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
- Web or WebDAV mount.
So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.
I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?
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@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?
I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.
So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?
How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.
If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?
- Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
- Web or WebDAV mount.
So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.
In very special circumstances, sure. Right now, NextCloud doesn't offer a sync / non-sync option any other way.
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@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
Remember, the majority of users in the majority of companies only use like 5GB of storage, and mostly just documents. Needing TBs of data is a thing that happens, but normally to very isolated users and user types, and only in some businesses.
We are talking about a shared folder system. Not personal files. Huge difference.
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@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?
Same way as any share, with backups or snaps or versioning.
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@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?
I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.
So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?
How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.
If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?
- Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
- Web or WebDAV mount.
So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.
I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?
backups, its the only true solution to cryptoware.
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@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
Remember, the majority of users in the majority of companies only use like 5GB of storage, and mostly just documents. Needing TBs of data is a thing that happens, but normally to very isolated users and user types, and only in some businesses.
We are talking about a shared folder system. Not personal files. Huge difference.
Sure, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Not sure why you think I'm not.
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@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?
I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.
So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?
How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.
If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?
- Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
- Web or WebDAV mount.
So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.
In very special circumstances, sure. Right now, NextCloud doesn't offer a sync / non-sync option any other way.
OneDrive does
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@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?
I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.
So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?
How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.
If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?
- Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
- Web or WebDAV mount.
So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.
I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?
backups, its the only true solution to cryptoware.
Versioning protects perfectly. Exablox has 100% ransomeware protection through continuous versioning, for example.
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@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?
I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.
So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?
How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.
If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?
- Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
- Web or WebDAV mount.
So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.
In very special circumstances, sure. Right now, NextCloud doesn't offer a sync / non-sync option any other way.
OneDrive does
I know, but it's crap in general.
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I dont really want to dive any deeping into MS's pockets if I can avoid it.
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@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:
how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?
Same way as any share, with backups or snaps or versioning.
Was really hoping for something a little more elegant. But I realize that’s unlikely to be possible.
