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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

      @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

      @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

      @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

      Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

      I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

      So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

      How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

      If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

        @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

        @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

        @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

        @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

        Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

        I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

        So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

        How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

        If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

        1. Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
        2. Web or WebDAV mount.
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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

          What problems are assumed to happen based on large sync amounts? Typically we sync nothing close to that size, but size of the sync doesn't create issues normally.

          I’ve only used OneDrive recently and they just hide sync all the time and have to resync constantly.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
            last edited by

            Remember, the majority of users in the majority of companies only use like 5GB of storage, and mostly just documents. Needing TBs of data is a thing that happens, but normally to very isolated users and user types, and only in some businesses.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
              last edited by

              @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

              @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

              What problems are assumed to happen based on large sync amounts? Typically we sync nothing close to that size, but size of the sync doesn't create issues normally.

              I’ve only used OneDrive recently and they just hide sync all the time and have to resync constantly.

              hide sync?

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                last edited by

                @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

                I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

                So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

                How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

                If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

                1. Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
                2. Web or WebDAV mount.

                So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

                I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                  last edited by

                  @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                  @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                  @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                  @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                  @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                  @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                  @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                  Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

                  I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

                  So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

                  How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

                  If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

                  1. Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
                  2. Web or WebDAV mount.

                  So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

                  In very special circumstances, sure. Right now, NextCloud doesn't offer a sync / non-sync option any other way.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                    Remember, the majority of users in the majority of companies only use like 5GB of storage, and mostly just documents. Needing TBs of data is a thing that happens, but normally to very isolated users and user types, and only in some businesses.

                    We are talking about a shared folder system. Not personal files. Huge difference.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                      last edited by

                      @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                      how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

                      Same way as any share, with backups or snaps or versioning.

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                      • DonahueD
                        Donahue @Dashrender
                        last edited by

                        @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                        @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                        @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                        @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                        @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                        @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                        @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                        Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

                        I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

                        So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

                        How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

                        If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

                        1. Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
                        2. Web or WebDAV mount.

                        So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

                        I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

                        backups, its the only true solution to cryptoware.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                          @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                          Remember, the majority of users in the majority of companies only use like 5GB of storage, and mostly just documents. Needing TBs of data is a thing that happens, but normally to very isolated users and user types, and only in some businesses.

                          We are talking about a shared folder system. Not personal files. Huge difference.

                          Sure, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Not sure why you think I'm not.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                            @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                            @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                            @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                            @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                            @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                            @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                            @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                            Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

                            I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

                            So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

                            How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

                            If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

                            1. Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
                            2. Web or WebDAV mount.

                            So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

                            In very special circumstances, sure. Right now, NextCloud doesn't offer a sync / non-sync option any other way.

                            OneDrive does

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Donahue
                              last edited by

                              @Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                              @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                              @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                              @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                              @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                              @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                              @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                              @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                              Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

                              I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

                              So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

                              How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

                              If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

                              1. Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
                              2. Web or WebDAV mount.

                              So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

                              I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

                              backups, its the only true solution to cryptoware.

                              Versioning protects perfectly. Exablox has 100% ransomeware protection through continuous versioning, for example.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

                                I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

                                So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

                                How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

                                If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

                                1. Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
                                2. Web or WebDAV mount.

                                So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

                                In very special circumstances, sure. Right now, NextCloud doesn't offer a sync / non-sync option any other way.

                                OneDrive does

                                I know, but it's crap in general.

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                                • DonahueD
                                  Donahue
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                                  I dont really want to dive any deeping into MS's pockets if I can avoid it.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                    @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                    how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

                                    Same way as any share, with backups or snaps or versioning.

                                    Was really hoping for something a little more elegant. But I realize that’s unlikely to be possible.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                      @Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                      @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                      @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                      @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                      @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                      Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

                                      I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

                                      So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

                                      How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

                                      If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

                                      1. Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
                                      2. Web or WebDAV mount.

                                      So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

                                      I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

                                      backups, its the only true solution to cryptoware.

                                      Versioning protects perfectly. Exablox has 100% ransomeware protection through continuous versioning, for example.

                                      When NC does versioning, does it hide it from the typical file share browsing so that a cryptoware doesn’t know that “backup” is there?
                                      I ask because I’ve never used any type of versioning before.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @Donahue
                                        last edited by

                                        @Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                        I dont really want to dive any deeping into MS's pockets if I can avoid it.

                                        What are you using for email? If using O365 you likely already have OneDrive for business

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @Donahue
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                                          @Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                          @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                          @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                          @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                          @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                          Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

                                          I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

                                          So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

                                          How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

                                          If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

                                          1. Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
                                          2. Web or WebDAV mount.

                                          So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

                                          I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

                                          backups, its the only true solution to cryptoware.

                                          Of course, but assuming you can afford the disk space, not having to restore an entire server because an infected client encrypted a whole drive, that would be nice. Of having a fast way to roll a version back would be required.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                            @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                            @Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                            @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                            @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                            @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                            @Dashrender said in file sharing in the 21st century:

                                            Also syncing, in my opinion. Is mostly for offline access, do your users have offline access now?

                                            I don't think that that is often the case. Lots of people want to do that for just simple, transparent access. Lots of people dislike using the web interface to get to files.

                                            So how do you keep problems out when syncing 100’s of GB?

                                            How many people need to sync 100s of GBs of files? That's not normal.

                                            If you don’t sync a file how do you get access to it? Web only?

                                            1. Who needs access to that many files? Not our users, or our normal customers.
                                            2. Web or WebDAV mount.

                                            So you end up with a mixed use of sync and WebDAV.

                                            I need access to hundreds or thousands of files on our shared drive, but I don’t need them synced... so WebDAV is my solution... how does NC protect against cryptoware on a WebDAV share?

                                            backups, its the only true solution to cryptoware.

                                            Versioning protects perfectly. Exablox has 100% ransomeware protection through continuous versioning, for example.

                                            When NC does versioning, does it hide it from the typical file share browsing so that a cryptoware doesn’t know that “backup” is there?
                                            I ask because I’ve never used any type of versioning before.

                                            It has to, as normal file abstractions (like those used by the Windows Explorer or the Linux vfs) don't support the concept of versions, so there is no way to expose them. Until those filesystem abstractions offer their own versioning interface, all versions are invisible through those protocols (SMB, NFS, etc.)

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