IDE as a RAID?

WrCombs

I just saw that IDE was a choice in the BIOS; Made the assumption it was raid. Looked up IDE and that was one of the links that came up.

I was just trying to figure out what the next step would be. on getting this PC up and going.

I didn't realize that I was looking at the wrong thing, thats why I brought it here. I figured it was outdated because I didn't hear about it, and just wanted opinions from everyone else.

I understand that Raid is Software, and IDE is hardware now, at first I thought it was a thing. . . not going to lie. . .
but again, I'm just trying to learn as much as I can so thanks everyone for helping me realize that I dont need to be using IDE- since we have Sata drives.

@scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

scottalanmiller

@wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

I just saw that IDE was a choice in the BIOS; Made the assumption it was raid.

That's a pretty wild assumption. That's a dangerous way to approach research.

You have a number, I assume, of rather wild, incorrect assumptions to get to there.

That RAID would be available on a desktop (it's not.)
That IDE would be RAID without any connection to lead you there.
That RAID would be an alternative to other protocols.

scottalanmiller

@wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

I understand that Raid is Software, and IDE is hardware now, at first I thought it was a thing. . . not going to lie. . .

IDE is a protocol. Not hardware itself. In your PC, you can use the IDE protocol without IDE hardware. Just lowers performance.

scottalanmiller

@wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

I didn't realize that I was looking at the wrong thing, thats why I brought it here. I figured it was outdated because I didn't hear about it, and just wanted opinions from everyone else.

So the educational takeaway here should be....

Look for assumptions that were made without a solid foundation. Then back up a step or two. The question should have been in two parts...

First: What is IDE?
Second: Is RAID Valuable in a Desktop PC Being Used Like a Server

jmoore

Just in case your wondering though you can put put Raid on desktops. One of my workstations here at work is a Raid 0 with 2 SSd in it. It has an LSI card in it I believe. Its pretty fast. I save everything to network share but its been going on for about 4 years now with any failure.

scottalanmiller

@wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

@scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

Windows 7, like most operating systems, has RAID included by default.

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/36504/how-to-create-a-software-raid-array-in-windows-7/

scottalanmiller

@jmoore said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

Just in case your wondering though you can put put Raid on desktops. One of my workstations here at work is a Raid 0 with 2 SSd in it. It has an LSI card in it I believe. Its pretty fast. I save everything to network share but its been going on for about 4 years now with any failure.

Absolutely. You can use software RAID or hardware RAID, either or, on basically any machine. RAID is always an option, it's just that it basically always comes either from software or from add on hardware.

Today, essentially all operating systems include RAID. It's such a basic function, it's basically unthinkable that an OS would not include it. It's super simple for the to include and the tech hasn't changed in decades. So it really costs them nothing to do.

WrCombs

@scottalanmiller said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

@wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

I didn't realize that I was looking at the wrong thing, thats why I brought it here. I figured it was outdated because I didn't hear about it, and just wanted opinions from everyone else.

So the educational takeaway here should be....

Look for assumptions that were made without a solid foundation. Then back up a step or two. The question should have been in two parts...

First: What is IDE?
Second: Is RAID Valuable in a Desktop PC Being Used Like a Server

Fair Enough .

WrCombs

@scottalanmiller said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

@wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

@scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

Windows 7, like most operating systems, has RAID included by default.

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/36504/how-to-create-a-software-raid-array-in-windows-7/

Am working on Reimaging the PC Today, and creating Raid in Windows 7, before I load the image on it.

scottalanmiller

@wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

@scottalanmiller said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

@wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

@scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

Windows 7, like most operating systems, has RAID included by default.

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/36504/how-to-create-a-software-raid-array-in-windows-7/

Am working on Reimaging the PC Today, and creating Raid in Windows 7, before I load the image on it.

If you have two drives, that's the way to go. Windows RAID isn't good, but it's industry standard, well known, and doesn't tend to lose data. Unlike a lot of FakeRAID which can actually lead to data loss because it's not well audit or maintained (who patches that stuff!?)

WrCombs

@scottalanmiller said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

@wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

@scottalanmiller said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

@wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

@scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

Windows 7, like most operating systems, has RAID included by default.

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/36504/how-to-create-a-software-raid-array-in-windows-7/

Am working on Reimaging the PC Today, and creating Raid in Windows 7, before I load the image on it.

If you have two drives, that's the way to go. Windows RAID isn't good, but it's industry standard, well known, and doesn't tend to lose data. Unlike a lot of FakeRAID which can actually lead to data loss because it's not well audit or maintained (who patches that stuff!?)

It is imaging right now, created the raid as 'raid 1' as i was told to do so, waiting for the image to complete.

WrCombs

@scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

I stand corrected, according to our remote tool: this site is running Windows 7/ Server 2008 R2 . . .

WrCombs

Drives are rebuilding now.

DustinB3403

@wrcombs said in IDE as a RAID?:

Drives are rebuilding now.

Good luck.

WrCombs

@dustinb3403 said in IDE as a RAID?:

@wrcombs said in IDE as a RAID?:

Drives are rebuilding now.

Good luck.

Thanks. It hasnt moved even a % at all.. Crazy stuff. Gonna take forever I'm Sure.

scottalanmiller

@wrcombs said in IDE as a RAID?:

@scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

I stand corrected, according to our remote tool: this site is running Windows 7/ Server 2008 R2 . . .

Both?

DustinB3403

@scottalanmiller said in IDE as a RAID?:

@wrcombs said in IDE as a RAID?:

@scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

I stand corrected, according to our remote tool: this site is running Windows 7/ Server 2008 R2 . . .

Both?

Yeah. . . don't you dual boot your server to also act as a desktop for those down times?!

scottalanmiller

@dustinb3403 said in IDE as a RAID?:

@scottalanmiller said in IDE as a RAID?:

@wrcombs said in IDE as a RAID?:

@scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

I stand corrected, according to our remote tool: this site is running Windows 7/ Server 2008 R2 . . .

Both?

Yeah. . . don't you dual boot your server to also act as a desktop for those down times?!

Gotta run Steam somewhere.

scottalanmiller

@wrcombs said in IDE as a RAID?:

@scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

I stand corrected, according to our remote tool: this site is running Windows 7/ Server 2008 R2 . . .

Those two are the same OS under the hood. Same code base. So lots of things detect them as the same. But they are not the same product. It's always one or the other.

WrCombs

@scottalanmiller said in IDE as a RAID?:

@wrcombs said in IDE as a RAID?:

@scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

I stand corrected, according to our remote tool: this site is running Windows 7/ Server 2008 R2 . . .

Those two are the same OS under the hood. Same code base. So lots of things detect them as the same. But they are not the same product. It's always one or the other.

Maybe thats where My Confusion is coming from: because it lists both, but as you pointed out they are the same under the hood, but not the same product.