Routers Vs. Firewall
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
My boss's argument: A router is a device that forwards data packets alongnetworks. A router is connected to at least two networks, commonly two LANs or WANs or a LAN and its ISP'snetwork. Routers are located at gateways, the places where two or more networks connect.
That's an "argument"? How does this not describe a firewall?
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
"firewalls can do what routers can, but routers can't do exactly the same as a firewall, I can configure a firewall to block ports, and can do much more on a firewall than I could with. Router"
Name any router that can't do that. There is none.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
The argument I'm getting is that they can't do the same things.
Routers can't block access (this is the main thing)
But that's not true. They all can. All.
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@obsolesce said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
The argument I'm getting is that they can't do the same things.
Routers can't block access (this is the main thing)
What do you mean they can't block access? That's exactly what routing does via ACLs.
And NAT. And PAT.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
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@jaredbusch said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
p.s Yes I know core routers out on the internet backbone are router only. But we are talking about endpoint routers here.
Even those have ACLs today. They might not enact them, but the option is there.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
p.s Yes I know core routers out on the internet backbone are router only. But we are talking about endpoint routers here.
Even those have ACLs today. They might not enact them, but the option is there.
True.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
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@wrx7m said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
hence why i called it a router rather than a sonic wall.. it does teh same thing as a router pluse some.
Apparently this is something these guys have arguements about with customers who think they know it all.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
My boss's argument: A router is a device that forwards data packets alongnetworks. A router is connected to at least two networks, commonly two LANs or WANs or a LAN and its ISP'snetwork. Routers are located at gateways, the places where two or more networks connect.
That's an "argument"? How does this not describe a firewall?
My thoughts exactly, Because I currently have an EdgeRouter at home, its a firewall. It runs APs.
it is what pushing the internet out to the APs. -
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrx7m said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
hence why i called it a router rather than a sonic wall.. it does teh same thing as a router pluse some.
Apparently this is something these guys have arguements about with customers who think they know it all.
I thought this WAS the customers arguing. If the customers are calling it a router, they sound like they likely know more.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
My boss's argument: A router is a device that forwards data packets alongnetworks. A router is connected to at least two networks, commonly two LANs or WANs or a LAN and its ISP'snetwork. Routers are located at gateways, the places where two or more networks connect.
That's an "argument"? How does this not describe a firewall?
My thoughts exactly, Because I currently have an EdgeRouter at home, its a firewall.
And a better one than that SonicWall stuff.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrx7m said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
hence why i called it a router rather than a sonic wall.. it does teh same thing as a router pluse some.
Apparently this is something these guys have arguements about with customers who think they know it all.
I thought this WAS the customers arguing. If the customers are calling it a router, they sound like they likely know more.
this is my boss
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
So basically, they don't know what a router is and think the SonicWall can't route?
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrx7m said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
hence why i called it a router rather than a sonic wall.. it does teh same thing as a router pluse some.
Apparently this is something these guys have arguements about with customers who think they know it all.
I thought this WAS the customers arguing. If the customers are calling it a router, they sound like they likely know more.
this is my boss
This is definitely sub-intern level stuff. This is a knowledge piece that falls somewhere between user and power user. Lots of home users, LOTS OF THEM, including ones that are unclear what a Word document is, know when they have a router.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
So basically, they don't know what a router is and think the SonicWall can't route?
The know that sonic walls can route, but you cant go to walmart and get a router, and expect it to do the same thing as a sonic wall.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
So basically, they don't know what a router is and think the SonicWall can't route?
The know that sonic walls can route, but you cant go to walmart and get a router, and expect it to do the same thing as a sonic wall.
But you can't go there and get a firewall and expect it to do the same as a SonicWall, either. So that isn't an argument. You can't go to Walmart and get a router, you only get firewalls.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrx7m said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
hence why i called it a router rather than a sonic wall.. it does teh same thing as a router pluse some.
Apparently this is something these guys have arguements about with customers who think they know it all.
I thought this WAS the customers arguing. If the customers are calling it a router, they sound like they likely know more.
this is my boss
This is definitely sub-intern level stuff. This is a knowledge piece that falls somewhere between user and power user. Lots of home users, LOTS OF THEM, including ones that are unclear what a Word document is, know when they have a router.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/17327/where-does-intern-level-fall-on-the-scale
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The problem, I assume, is that your boss is confusing Firewall and UTM. SonicWalls are crappy UTMs, that's their selling point (literally both that they are crappy, and UTMs), not that they are firewalls.
UTM has become "too complex" for end users and they start calling them firewalls, which is confusing because everything is a firewall, but only a few things are UTMs.
So because your boss has confused firewall and UTM, he now has to be confused as to what a router is, because he conflated something that was essentially synonymous with router with something different and has lost all concept of what he is discussing.
