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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @momurda
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      @momurda said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

      There will be even less applications available here than through the Windows Store for x86, which is a wasteland of malware.

      Actually it is a wasteland of usable apps, it's a thriving jungle of malware.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

        @dustinb3403 said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

        @momurda It's not a wasteland. . this is a waste land

        https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Fallout-4.jpg

        That's a picture of the Windows Store!

        Ha

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        • matteo nunziatiM
          matteo nunziati @momurda
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          @momurda said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

          There will be even less applications available here than through the Windows Store for x86, which is a wasteland of malware.

          Windows arm pc = linux arm pc. Wipe and reinstall. I don't see other uses in the near future.

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          • ObsolesceO
            Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

            @momurda said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

            There will be even less applications available here than through the Windows Store for x86, which is a wasteland of malware.

            Actually it is a wasteland of usable apps, it's a thriving jungle of malware.

            Which current Windows Store apps currently have malware?

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            • momurdaM
              momurda @Obsolesce
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              @tim_g Malware, it's malware all the way down.

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              • dafyreD
                dafyre
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                What are some of the actual benefits of this? ... Drawbacks?

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @dafyre
                  last edited by

                  @dafyre said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                  What are some of the actual benefits of this? ... Drawbacks?

                  Benefit is lower power consumption and lower hardware costs. ARM procs are a better power/perf ration than AMD64 chips and are perfectly suited for the majority of desktop and especially laptop tasks. They also make it easier to make fanless and other speciality systems.

                  Downsides are less absolute power and a smaller ecosystem of binary packages available.

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                  • momurdaM
                    momurda
                    last edited by momurda

                    Here is an example of Windows store malware.
                    Goto the Windows Store and search for Opera Browser.
                    0_1519414027175_8a11d5ca-a8c7-42cc-b46f-79e5677a5290-image.png
                    I dare anybody to install a single one of those on a computer.
                    Firefox search results
                    0_1519414175644_6502b165-e985-4517-aa6b-bf97798c616d-image.png

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                    • ObsolesceO
                      Obsolesce @momurda
                      last edited by

                      @momurda said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                      Here is an example of Windows store malware.
                      Goto the Windows Store and search for Opera Browser.
                      0_1519414027175_8a11d5ca-a8c7-42cc-b46f-79e5677a5290-image.png
                      I dare anybody to install a single one of those on a computer.
                      Firefox search results
                      0_1519414175644_6502b165-e985-4517-aa6b-bf97798c616d-image.png

                      All the same or similar stuff is on Google Play Store.

                      Do you have the malware scan results that show it as malware?

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @momurda
                        last edited by

                        @momurda said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                        Here is an example of Windows store malware.
                        Goto the Windows Store and search for Opera Browser.
                        0_1519414027175_8a11d5ca-a8c7-42cc-b46f-79e5677a5290-image.png
                        I dare anybody to install a single one of those on a computer.
                        Firefox search results
                        0_1519414175644_6502b165-e985-4517-aa6b-bf97798c616d-image.png

                        In reality, I believe that the Windows Store itself is a form of malware. It is undesirable, hostile software that attempts to convince you to install still more extensive hostile software.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                          last edited by

                          @tim_g said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                          @momurda said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                          Here is an example of Windows store malware.
                          Goto the Windows Store and search for Opera Browser.
                          0_1519414027175_8a11d5ca-a8c7-42cc-b46f-79e5677a5290-image.png
                          I dare anybody to install a single one of those on a computer.
                          Firefox search results
                          0_1519414175644_6502b165-e985-4517-aa6b-bf97798c616d-image.png

                          All the same or similar stuff is on Google Play Store.

                          Do you have the malware scan results that show it as malware?

                          Scan results are not needed to determine that it is malware. It's software pretending to be something other than it is. That's malicious. Therefore malware.

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                          • ObsolesceO
                            Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                            @momurda said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                            Here is an example of Windows store malware.
                            Goto the Windows Store and search for Opera Browser.
                            0_1519414027175_8a11d5ca-a8c7-42cc-b46f-79e5677a5290-image.png
                            I dare anybody to install a single one of those on a computer.
                            Firefox search results
                            0_1519414175644_6502b165-e985-4517-aa6b-bf97798c616d-image.png

                            In reality, I believe that the Windows Store itself is a form of malware. It is undesirable, hostile software that attempts to convince you to install still more extensive hostile software.

                            I feel all app stores are like that on every platform.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                              last edited by

                              @tim_g said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                              @momurda said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                              Here is an example of Windows store malware.
                              Goto the Windows Store and search for Opera Browser.
                              0_1519414027175_8a11d5ca-a8c7-42cc-b46f-79e5677a5290-image.png
                              I dare anybody to install a single one of those on a computer.
                              Firefox search results
                              0_1519414175644_6502b165-e985-4517-aa6b-bf97798c616d-image.png

                              All the same or similar stuff is on Google Play Store.

                              Google Play Store is not pushed onto my desktop or forced to be integrated into my menu, though.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                                last edited by

                                @tim_g said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                @momurda said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                Here is an example of Windows store malware.
                                Goto the Windows Store and search for Opera Browser.
                                0_1519414027175_8a11d5ca-a8c7-42cc-b46f-79e5677a5290-image.png
                                I dare anybody to install a single one of those on a computer.
                                Firefox search results
                                0_1519414175644_6502b165-e985-4517-aa6b-bf97798c616d-image.png

                                In reality, I believe that the Windows Store itself is a form of malware. It is undesirable, hostile software that attempts to convince you to install still more extensive hostile software.

                                I feel all app stores are like that on every platform.

                                Apple Store definitely is not. My Deepin Store is nothing like that.

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                                • ObsolesceO
                                  Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by Obsolesce

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                  It's software pretending to be something other than it is.

                                  In that screenshot, which app is pretending to be Opera or Firefox? They all look clearly named.

                                  It appears there is no "Opera Browser" or "Firefox" windows store app. So it's displaying results (apps) that have the word "browser" in it, and other web browsers, which are clearly not pretending to be Opera or Firefox.

                                  Edit: many of those are also displayed in the Google Play Store as well... even more junk is in there than on Windows Store!

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                                  • ObsolesceO
                                    Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                    @tim_g said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                    @momurda said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                    Here is an example of Windows store malware.
                                    Goto the Windows Store and search for Opera Browser.
                                    0_1519414027175_8a11d5ca-a8c7-42cc-b46f-79e5677a5290-image.png
                                    I dare anybody to install a single one of those on a computer.
                                    Firefox search results
                                    0_1519414175644_6502b165-e985-4517-aa6b-bf97798c616d-image.png

                                    All the same or similar stuff is on Google Play Store.

                                    Google Play Store is not pushed onto my desktop or forced to be integrated into my menu, though.

                                    True. Then if that is your definition of malware, the Windows Store is malware.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                                      last edited by

                                      @tim_g said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                      @tim_g said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                      @momurda said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                      Here is an example of Windows store malware.
                                      Goto the Windows Store and search for Opera Browser.
                                      0_1519414027175_8a11d5ca-a8c7-42cc-b46f-79e5677a5290-image.png
                                      I dare anybody to install a single one of those on a computer.
                                      Firefox search results
                                      0_1519414175644_6502b165-e985-4517-aa6b-bf97798c616d-image.png

                                      All the same or similar stuff is on Google Play Store.

                                      Google Play Store is not pushed onto my desktop or forced to be integrated into my menu, though.

                                      True. Then if that is your definition of malware, the Windows Store is malware.

                                      Yes, the key difference is that to use the Google Play Store I havev to intentionally do so. The Windows Store exclusively exists where I don't want it to. It pushes products for me to install against my will.

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                                      • ObsolesceO
                                        Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                        @tim_g said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                        @tim_g said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                        @momurda said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                        Here is an example of Windows store malware.
                                        Goto the Windows Store and search for Opera Browser.
                                        0_1519414027175_8a11d5ca-a8c7-42cc-b46f-79e5677a5290-image.png
                                        I dare anybody to install a single one of those on a computer.
                                        Firefox search results
                                        0_1519414175644_6502b165-e985-4517-aa6b-bf97798c616d-image.png

                                        All the same or similar stuff is on Google Play Store.

                                        Google Play Store is not pushed onto my desktop or forced to be integrated into my menu, though.

                                        True. Then if that is your definition of malware, the Windows Store is malware.

                                        Yes, the key difference is that to use the Google Play Store I havev to intentionally do so. The Windows Store exclusively exists where I don't want it to. It pushes products for me to install against my will.

                                        I will have to agree with that.

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                                        • momurdaM
                                          momurda
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                                          I might actually get one of these if it was possible to get one without LTE modem.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @momurda
                                            last edited by

                                            @momurda said in Windows on arm this quarter!:

                                            I might actually get one of these if it was possible to get one without LTE modem.

                                            Yes, I hate that those are so often bundled.

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