Small Shop Hyperconverged Options
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I have different vendors pushing Scale and/or Nutanix. Without really running the numbers deeply, both solutions look to be expensive. Our company isn't tiny. ~85 full time users and much more (devices over 23 locations) besides. I can run everything we need on one VM Host if absolutely needed -- shutting down non-mission-critical VMs can get us through.
I intend to look at both offerings. Honestly, I think they're overkill for us. -
@scotth said in Scale Computing combines forces with Unitrends:
I have different vendors pushing Scale and/or Nutanix. Without really running the numbers deeply, both solutions look to be expensive. Our company isn't tiny. ~85 full time users and much more (devices over 23 locations) besides. I can run everything we need on one VM Host if absolutely needed -- shutting down non-mission-critical VMs can get us through.
I intend to look at both offerings. Honestly, I think they're overkill for us.I would avoid Nutanix. They are a bad vendor, one you can't trust. There are loads of good HC vendors out there. Your short list for the SMB should be Scale, Starwind, and Simplivity if you want appliances. Nutanix should be the last vendor you consider - I'd never consider them at all.
There are plenty of non-appliance options, too, like Starwind, VMware, XenOrchestra, etc.
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@scotth said in Scale Computing combines forces with Unitrends:
Honestly, I think they're overkill for us.
They both start at three nodes, so if you are a one node "load" shop, then you get into an overkill scenario from a node count perspective.
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@scotth Deciding on any hyperconverged turn-key solution requires a lot of planning and investigation.
You'd have to have performed an RPO and RTO study to even determine if you (as a business) require these kinds of uptimes.
Expensive only means you won't spend for it, for if you spent it, than you didn't think it was expensive.
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The first question for @scotth is... do you heed high availability?
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If you do need HA, and you only need the capacity of one node, then you want to be looking primarily at @StarWind_Software
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@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
If you do need HA, and you only need the capacity of one node, then you want to be looking primarily at @StarWind_Software
BEcause they focus on the two node scope for their HA / HC systems.XOA can do this as well. If you lose a node, you simply fall into an read-only situation.
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And even if you had 2 nodes, you can simply use a continuous replication to migrate your workloads. . . so while not HA I would call it NHA (nearly High availability).
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@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
If you do need HA, and you only need the capacity of one node, then you want to be looking primarily at @StarWind_Software
BEcause they focus on the two node scope for their HA / HC systems.This is actually my target for our desired upgrade. I'm currently running ESXi on two DL370 G6's. I'm getting prices for drives to populate the both drive cages so that I can re-purpose the current servers into backup targets. I won't have time to address this until later this spring but I intend to read up on it and talk to vendors during this time.
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@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
If you do need HA, and you only need the capacity of one node, then you want to be looking primarily at @StarWind_Software
BEcause they focus on the two node scope for their HA / HC systems.This is actually my target for our desired upgrade. I'm currently running ESXi on two DL370 G6's. I'm getting prices for drives to populate the both drive cages so that I can re-purpose the current servers into backup targets. I won't have time to address this until later this spring but I intend to read up on it and talk to vendors during this time.
Good time to update to Hyper-V, too. Starwind is really well integrated with Hyper-V.
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@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
If you do need HA, and you only need the capacity of one node, then you want to be looking primarily at @StarWind_Software
BEcause they focus on the two node scope for their HA / HC systems.This is actually my target for our desired upgrade. I'm currently running ESXi on two DL370 G6's. I'm getting prices for drives to populate the both drive cages so that I can re-purpose the current servers into backup targets. I won't have time to address this until later this spring but I intend to read up on it and talk to vendors during this time.
Good time to update to Hyper-V, too. Starwind is really well integrated with Hyper-V.
We are planning to look at all flavors. I have to admit out loud that I'm really looking forward to try the new XCP-NG on my home lab. I keep thinking that I could try it at work as well. Much research coming.
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@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
If you do need HA, and you only need the capacity of one node, then you want to be looking primarily at @StarWind_Software
BEcause they focus on the two node scope for their HA / HC systems.This is actually my target for our desired upgrade. I'm currently running ESXi on two DL370 G6's. I'm getting prices for drives to populate the both drive cages so that I can re-purpose the current servers into backup targets. I won't have time to address this until later this spring but I intend to read up on it and talk to vendors during this time.
Good time to update to Hyper-V, too. Starwind is really well integrated with Hyper-V.
We are planning to look at all flavors. I have to admit out loud that I'm really looking forward to try the new XCP-NG on my home lab. I keep thinking that I could try it at work as well. Much research coming.
That is a good option, too.
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@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
If you do need HA, and you only need the capacity of one node, then you want to be looking primarily at @StarWind_Software
BEcause they focus on the two node scope for their HA / HC systems.This is actually my target for our desired upgrade. I'm currently running ESXi on two DL370 G6's. I'm getting prices for drives to populate the both drive cages so that I can re-purpose the current servers into backup targets. I won't have time to address this until later this spring but I intend to read up on it and talk to vendors during this time.
Good time to update to Hyper-V, too. Starwind is really well integrated with Hyper-V.
We are planning to look at all flavors. I have to admit out loud that I'm really looking forward to try the new XCP-NG on my home lab. I keep thinking that I could try it at work as well. Much research coming.
That is a good option, too.
I updated by host to 7.2 right after I ran the XO install script. I didn't pay attention to what Citrix was doing.
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@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
I updated by host to 7.2 right after I ran the XO install script. I didn't pay attention to what Citrix was doing.
7.2 is still good. 7.3 is the one Citrix crippled.
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@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
If you do need HA, and you only need the capacity of one node, then you want to be looking primarily at @StarWind_Software
BEcause they focus on the two node scope for their HA / HC systems.This is actually my target for our desired upgrade. I'm currently running ESXi on two DL370 G6's. I'm getting prices for drives to populate the both drive cages so that I can re-purpose the current servers into backup targets. I won't have time to address this until later this spring but I intend to read up on it and talk to vendors during this time.
Good time to update to Hyper-V, too. Starwind is really well integrated with Hyper-V.
We are planning to look at all flavors. I have to admit out loud that I'm really looking forward to try the new XCP-NG on my home lab. I keep thinking that I could try it at work as well. Much research coming.
That is a good option, too.
I updated by host to 7.2 right after I ran the XO install script. I didn't pay attention to what Citrix was doing.
YOu are fine. XCP-NG will be your future step.
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@bnrstnr said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
I updated by host to 7.2 right after I ran the XO install script. I didn't pay attention to what Citrix was doing.
7.2 is still good. 7.3 is the one Citrix crippled.
Cool. I've been holding off running the 7.2 specific updates
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@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
If you do need HA, and you only need the capacity of one node, then you want to be looking primarily at @StarWind_Software
BEcause they focus on the two node scope for their HA / HC systems.This is actually my target for our desired upgrade. I'm currently running ESXi on two DL370 G6's. I'm getting prices for drives to populate the both drive cages so that I can re-purpose the current servers into backup targets. I won't have time to address this until later this spring but I intend to read up on it and talk to vendors during this time.
Good time to update to Hyper-V, too. Starwind is really well integrated with Hyper-V.
We are planning to look at all flavors. I have to admit out loud that I'm really looking forward to try the new XCP-NG on my home lab. I keep thinking that I could try it at work as well. Much research coming.
That is a good option, too.
I updated by host to 7.2 right after I ran the XO install script. I didn't pay attention to what Citrix was doing.
YOu are fine. XCP-NG will be your future step.
And to think that I started on XCP in the 1st place.
I think it was actually 4.9 beta or some such. -
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
If you do need HA, and you only need the capacity of one node, then you want to be looking primarily at @StarWind_Software
BEcause they focus on the two node scope for their HA / HC systems.This is actually my target for our desired upgrade. I'm currently running ESXi on two DL370 G6's. I'm getting prices for drives to populate the both drive cages so that I can re-purpose the current servers into backup targets. I won't have time to address this until later this spring but I intend to read up on it and talk to vendors during this time.
Good time to update to Hyper-V, too. Starwind is really well integrated with Hyper-V.
We are planning to look at all flavors. I have to admit out loud that I'm really looking forward to try the new XCP-NG on my home lab. I keep thinking that I could try it at work as well. Much research coming.
That is a good option, too.
I updated by host to 7.2 right after I ran the XO install script. I didn't pay attention to what Citrix was doing.
YOu are fine. XCP-NG will be your future step.
And to think that I started on XCP in the 1st place.
I think it was actually 4.9 beta or some such.Well XCP-NG isn't XCP
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@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scotth said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Small Shop Hyperconverged Options:
If you do need HA, and you only need the capacity of one node, then you want to be looking primarily at @StarWind_Software
BEcause they focus on the two node scope for their HA / HC systems.This is actually my target for our desired upgrade. I'm currently running ESXi on two DL370 G6's. I'm getting prices for drives to populate the both drive cages so that I can re-purpose the current servers into backup targets. I won't have time to address this until later this spring but I intend to read up on it and talk to vendors during this time.
Good time to update to Hyper-V, too. Starwind is really well integrated with Hyper-V.
We are planning to look at all flavors. I have to admit out loud that I'm really looking forward to try the new XCP-NG on my home lab. I keep thinking that I could try it at work as well. Much research coming.
That is a good option, too.
I updated by host to 7.2 right after I ran the XO install script. I didn't pay attention to what Citrix was doing.
YOu are fine. XCP-NG will be your future step.
And to think that I started on XCP in the 1st place.
I think it was actually 4.9 beta or some such.Well XCP-NG isn't XCP
Even better
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@scotth: I will deploy a hybrid SW two node cluster soon. Many other solutions use KVM under the hood, which means that you will have to either script something or do agent based backups.
With Hyper-V, you just use Veeam (or whatever you prefer)
