switch DEs

Reid Cooper

I agree, adding a desktop environment later never seems to work right. Just treat it as a slightly different OS and install it from the spin. LXQt has replaced LXDE, LXDE is the legacy one that is being phased out and only remains for historical reasons today.

Dashrender

@stacksofplates said in switch DEs:

@dashrender said in switch DEs:
I'm at a complete loss.

I installed Fedora 27 Desktop edition with gnome (huge mistake - damn is gnome ugly and near useless)

So I installed LXDE (Don't ask me how I don't recall).
[h@plex-host ~]$ sudo dnf list installed *lxde*
Installed Packages
imsettings-lxde.x86_64                  1.7.3-1.fc27                    @updates
lxde-common.noarch                      0.99.2-3.fc27                   @fedora 
[h@plex-host ~]$ 
[h@plex-host ~]$ dnf group list installed
Last metadata expiration check: 0:21:32 ago on Sat 27 Jan 2018 08:20:53 AM CST.
Installed Environment Groups:
   LXDE Desktop
Installed Groups:
   Administration Tools
   LibreOffice
   GNOME Desktop Environment
   Fonts
   Hardware Support
Upon rebooting, I see the gear icon next to the logon button, but even though I choose LXDE, gnome still is what loads.
Just install the LXDE spin from the iso. I’m curious as to why you say GBOME is ugly but want to install LXDE. It’s one of the worst looking DEs around. LXQt is minimal like LXDE but uses Qt instead of GTK. But using Qt also changes your set of applications that you use (without installing the GTK libraries also). LXQt may have the GTK libraries already installed, I haven’t used it since it was beta, but the environment is made to run Qt applications.

There were a few words in there I understood, like used and since... lol
never heard of Qt or GTK... more to look.

Dashrender

Something important to me is the ability to remotely control the GUI (specifically using ScreenConnect).

Dashrender

What does "spin" mean?

scottalanmiller

@dashrender said in switch DEs:

What does "spin" mean?

Each alternative desktop installer is called a "spin". These are the full official ISOs for the different desktop environments. So if you get a "spin", everything is set up for you. If you install the desktop components yourself, you are left to do it all on your own.

It's the same thing, but with a name, that Ubuntu does with having Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and so forth for their "spins".

https://spins.fedoraproject.org/

scottalanmiller

Here is the spin that you want...

https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/lxqt/

Dashrender

Thanks I was just going to post that.. found the info and already downloading.

JaredBusch

Do you hate Cinnamon or something?

scottalanmiller

@jaredbusch said in switch DEs:

Do you hate Cinnamon or something?

Cinnamon doesn't work with things like ScreenConnect due to using GTK3 under the hood.

JaredBusch

@scottalanmiller said in switch DEs:

@jaredbusch said in switch DEs:

Do you hate Cinnamon or something?

Cinnamon doesn't work with things like ScreenConnect due to using GTK3 under the hood.

This is flat not true. I use Fedora with Cinnamon and use ScreenConnect all the time.

JaredBusch

Here is me using ScreenConnect on my Fedora 27 Cinnamon Desktop to connect to my Fedora 27 Cinnamon Laptop.
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scottalanmiller

@jaredbusch said in switch DEs:

@scottalanmiller said in switch DEs:

@jaredbusch said in switch DEs:

Do you hate Cinnamon or something?

Cinnamon doesn't work with things like ScreenConnect due to using GTK3 under the hood.

This is flat not true. I use Fedora with Cinnamon and use ScreenConnect all the time.

Cinnamon works now? Does Gnome 3 work now then, too?

black3dynamite

@scottalanmiller said in switch DEs:

@jaredbusch said in switch DEs:

@scottalanmiller said in switch DEs:

@jaredbusch said in switch DEs:

Do you hate Cinnamon or something?

Cinnamon doesn't work with things like ScreenConnect due to using GTK3 under the hood.

This is flat not true. I use Fedora with Cinnamon and use ScreenConnect all the time.

Cinnamon works now? Does Gnome 3 work now then, too?

Gnome 3 using Wayland is probably the issue. Anyone tried Gnome 3 using Xorg with ScreenConnect?

Obsolesce

So what exactly is so hard about installing a DE?

At one time i had Gnome, KDE, xfce, and Mate installed and working at the same time. You just choose the one you want at login and it remembers.

You would do something similar to this:

dnf group install "MATE Desktop"

dnf group install "Fedora Workstation"

dnf group install "mate-desktop"

I don't remember exactly what they are anymore because I've settled on Gnome a while ago.

But it worked for me just fine.

black3dynamite

You can also install Deepin Desktop Environment on Fedora
https://bbs.deepin.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=134393

sudo dnf install http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/$(rpm -E %fedora)/Everything/$(uname -i)/os/Packages/r/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm -E %fedora)-1.noarch.rpm
sudo dnf copr enable mosquito/deepin
sudo dnf update
sudo dnf install deepin-desktop deepin-session-ui deepin-launcher deepin-screenshot deepin-terminal
sudo systemctl disable gdm.service && sudo systemctl enable lightdm.service
sudo sed -i "/SELINUX=/s|enforcing|disabled|" /etc/selinux/config

Sucks that that you would disable SELINUX to use it.

scottalanmiller

@black3dynamite said in switch DEs:

You can also install Deepin Desktop Environment on Fedora
https://bbs.deepin.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=134393

sudo dnf install http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/$(rpm -E %fedora)/Everything/$(uname -i)/os/Packages/r/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm -E %fedora)-1.noarch.rpm
sudo dnf copr enable mosquito/deepin
sudo dnf update
sudo dnf install deepin-desktop deepin-session-ui deepin-launcher deepin-screenshot deepin-terminal
sudo systemctl disable gdm.service && sudo systemctl enable lightdm.service
sudo sed -i "/SELINUX=/s|enforcing|disabled|" /etc/selinux/config

Sucks that that you would disable SELINUX to use it.

It's not made for SELinux based systems.

scottalanmiller

@black3dynamite said in switch DEs:

@scottalanmiller said in switch DEs:

@jaredbusch said in switch DEs:

@scottalanmiller said in switch DEs:

@jaredbusch said in switch DEs:

Do you hate Cinnamon or something?

Cinnamon doesn't work with things like ScreenConnect due to using GTK3 under the hood.

This is flat not true. I use Fedora with Cinnamon and use ScreenConnect all the time.

Cinnamon works now? Does Gnome 3 work now then, too?

Gnome 3 using Wayland is probably the issue. Anyone tried Gnome 3 using Xorg with ScreenConnect?

No, but in theory that'll be the default on Ubuntu 18.04.

JaredBusch

@scottalanmiller said in switch DEs:

@jaredbusch said in switch DEs:

@scottalanmiller said in switch DEs:

@jaredbusch said in switch DEs:

Do you hate Cinnamon or something?

Cinnamon doesn't work with things like ScreenConnect due to using GTK3 under the hood.

This is flat not true. I use Fedora with Cinnamon and use ScreenConnect all the time.

Cinnamon works now? Does Gnome 3 work now then, too?

It has work ever since day 1 of me switching to Linux back in April. Korora 25 Cinnamon then.

stacksofplates

@scottalanmiller said in switch DEs:

@jaredbusch said in switch DEs:

@scottalanmiller said in switch DEs:

@jaredbusch said in switch DEs:

Do you hate Cinnamon or something?

Cinnamon doesn't work with things like ScreenConnect due to using GTK3 under the hood.

This is flat not true. I use Fedora with Cinnamon and use ScreenConnect all the time.

Cinnamon works now? Does Gnome 3 work now then, too?

Are you thinking of X2Go? GNOME 3 and Cinnamon don’t work because they require hardware acceleration and NX3 can’t do that. Only NX4 which is proprietary and owned my NoMachine can leverage it.

stacksofplates

@tim_g said in switch DEs:

So what exactly is so hard about installing a DE?

At one time i had Gnome, KDE, xfce, and Mate installed and working at the same time. You just choose the one you want at login and it remembers.

You would do something similar to this:

dnf group install "MATE Desktop"

dnf group install "Fedora Workstation"

dnf group install "mate-desktop"

I don't remember exactly what they are anymore because I've settled on Gnome a while ago.

But it worked for me just fine.

Nothing is hard but it’s never the same as if a team specifically built everything to work from the get go. I have i3 set up on my laptops along with GNOME. But there are always little quirks if you add them on later.