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@stacksofplates said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
They clearly don't have interest in development and maintenance of their less flashy components, that's a viability struggle.
No. They removed a function that you think they should keep. That doesn't change how viable anything is.
Their whole goal from everything I've seen is to make as many things extensions as possible. This is perfectly in line with that.
And perhaps with an extension to provide this functionality, GNOME might see an uptick in adoption. But frankly, since Chrome OS couldn't do that - I instantly dismissed any desire to use it. I might reconsider if there were enough compelling reasons.. but right now.. that single thing kills it for me when I can get everything else I currently want elsewhere.
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@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller did you even bother to read the article? Or did you just reply? Because it is clearly noted what the reason is.
Because they couldn't find anyone who wanted to code it - seems like a pretty lame reason to me.
Like Scott, I don't keep application shortcuts on the desktop (OK I do, but I that's because the installer puked it on there and I was to lazy to remove it), but I do use it as a fast to reach dumping ground for current projects.
Chrome OS's lack of this ability really irked me when I was trying to setup a user on one last year.
This explains their reason for removal in details.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/158Yeah, I've read it and basically they are saying "no one feels like working on what needs to be done, only on the fun stuff" which to me tells me that Gnome has some serious problems with being a viable project. This means, to me, that there are way too many desktop projects out there and Gnome is one that has lost its steam. It's a reason, but it's not a good one.
serious problems with being a viable project.
This is just ridiculous. There are tons of people out there that feel the same way I do and never out stuff on the desktop. No one is forcing anyone to use GNOME. If they don’t like it they can use something else.
I think that was Scott's entire point. GNOMEs use (in relation to the desktop having files and icons on it) have dwindled to near zero use... so the project might be viable (Scott typical overstating) but clearly not viable in this vain.
I don't understand what you're saying. It's a full DE. Putting files on your "desktop" doesn't mean something is or is not a desktop environment.
To 99.99% of windows users it does.
We aren't talking about Windows users.
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@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@stacksofplates said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
They clearly don't have interest in development and maintenance of their less flashy components, that's a viability struggle.
No. They removed a function that you think they should keep. That doesn't change how viable anything is.
Their whole goal from everything I've seen is to make as many things extensions as possible. This is perfectly in line with that.
And perhaps with an extension to provide this functionality, GNOME might see an uptick in adoption. But frankly, since Chrome OS couldn't do that - I instantly dismissed any desire to use it. I might reconsider if there were enough compelling reasons.. but right now.. that single thing kills it for me when I can get everything else I currently want elsewhere.
It doesn't need an "uptick" in adoption. It's in the top 3 most popular of all of the DE's. And if we cared about adoption rates no one would be using Fedora since it's one of the lowest used distros. Ubuntu, Mint, and Slackware are the top three.
And that's fine that you don't like it. But don't say the project isn't viable and they are not interested in developing the "less flashy" parts. It's been this way since 3 came out.
(all of the references are from LinuxQuestions.org, they do a yearly survey)
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@stacksofplates said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller did you even bother to read the article? Or did you just reply? Because it is clearly noted what the reason is.
Because they couldn't find anyone who wanted to code it - seems like a pretty lame reason to me.
Like Scott, I don't keep application shortcuts on the desktop (OK I do, but I that's because the installer puked it on there and I was to lazy to remove it), but I do use it as a fast to reach dumping ground for current projects.
Chrome OS's lack of this ability really irked me when I was trying to setup a user on one last year.
This explains their reason for removal in details.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/158Yeah, I've read it and basically they are saying "no one feels like working on what needs to be done, only on the fun stuff" which to me tells me that Gnome has some serious problems with being a viable project. This means, to me, that there are way too many desktop projects out there and Gnome is one that has lost its steam. It's a reason, but it's not a good one.
serious problems with being a viable project.
This is just ridiculous. There are tons of people out there that feel the same way I do and never out stuff on the desktop. No one is forcing anyone to use GNOME. If they don’t like it they can use something else.
I think that was Scott's entire point. GNOMEs use (in relation to the desktop having files and icons on it) have dwindled to near zero use... so the project might be viable (Scott typical overstating) but clearly not viable in this vain.
Which I think shows in why so many projects crop up to replace Gnome, which likely wouldn't happen if people were using it more heavily. Solus, ElementaryOS, Mint, Unity... all came about because they felt Gnome was lacking. Gnome is the least likely desktop for me to hear someone say "I want to use this". It's weird and now lacking in supporting it's own design. It's not bad, but it's pretty bizarre to drop your own metaphor without a replacement. I get that there is a lack of interest, but that seems to be the trend around Gnome, just not enough interest.
That there are "lots of people" who don't care about that one feature is unfortunately also reflected by the "lots of people" who want something other than Gnome.
The devs are looking into Gnome Shell extensions to help with the limitation.
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@scottalanmiller ElementaryOS doesn't have Desktop icons and a desktop folder.
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I honestly don't care if I can keep shortcuts on the desktop or within a sub folder (Documents) etc.
Yes, years and years of having to use Windows has taught me that things can be dumped "here" but really this is just a matter of what makes life easier for the developers.
They don't want to support Gnome because of some bad design decisions. I can't blame them for that, but what I can ask them to do is to come up with a reasonable alternative to this, as human behavior is difficult to change once it's ingrained.
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@stacksofplates said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
And that's fine that you don't like it. But don't say the project isn't viable and they are not interested in developing the "less flashy" parts. It's been this way since 3 came out.
I didn't say it wasn't viable, Dash claimed that I did. I just stated that it was struggling with viability, which is not the same thing, and that was based directly on the dev team stating quite clearly that they couldn't get people interested in maintaining the existing product and that they were losing features because they could no longer support them. I'm not the one that stated that they had a viability problem, I just repeated it. So take up your concern with the Gnome team's leadership.
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@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller ElementaryOS doesn't have Desktop icons and a desktop folder.
But not because of a problem maintaining their existing system and a lack of interest in their product. It's an intentional design decision, at least.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller ElementaryOS doesn't have Desktop icons and a desktop folder.
But not because of a problem maintaining their existing system and a lack of interest in their product. It's an intentional design decision, at least.
So if this was an intentional design decision or change you would be ok with it?
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller ElementaryOS doesn't have Desktop icons and a desktop folder.
But not because of a problem maintaining their existing system and a lack of interest in their product. It's an intentional design decision, at least.
And was exactly the same with GNOME.
The desktop was disabled for the default experience when GNOME 3 came in place now 6 years ago, so far has been mostly unmaintained
They did it on purpose. You could re-enable by downloading Tweak Tool if you wanted to.
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@stacksofplates said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller ElementaryOS doesn't have Desktop icons and a desktop folder.
But not because of a problem maintaining their existing system and a lack of interest in their product. It's an intentional design decision, at least.
And was exactly the same with GNOME.
Not according to the article, they were stuck with dropping it due to a lack of ability to maintain it. Not out of a desire to drop it; and obviously they had planned it as the use case from the beginning. Very different things. And that's from their own statements, not mine.
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@mlnews Good luck with that NVidia. I'm sure it will work out.
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@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Nvidia may be trying to prevent GeForce GPUs from being used in data centers!
Nvidia: we don't like money.
I get that they think they'll sell more of their more expensive products designed to be used in a data center, but that doesn't mean customers are automatically going to have the extra money to spend.
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@travisdh1 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Nvidia may be trying to prevent GeForce GPUs from being used in data centers!
Nvidia: we don't like money.
I get that they think they'll sell more of their more expensive products designed to be used in a data center, but that doesn't mean customers are automatically going to have the extra money to spend.
I'm just imagining AMD in the corner twiddling their thumbs as the money starts the roll in.
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@coliver said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@travisdh1 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Nvidia may be trying to prevent GeForce GPUs from being used in data centers!
Nvidia: we don't like money.
I get that they think they'll sell more of their more expensive products designed to be used in a data center, but that doesn't mean customers are automatically going to have the extra money to spend.
I'm just imagining AMD in the corner twiddling their thumbs as the money starts the roll in.
It's odd really. AMD was on their last leg just a few years ago. Now with the recent Intel and Nvidia announcements we may see AMD as king for a short period before ARM takes over.
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@coliver said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@travisdh1 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Nvidia may be trying to prevent GeForce GPUs from being used in data centers!
Nvidia: we don't like money.
I get that they think they'll sell more of their more expensive products designed to be used in a data center, but that doesn't mean customers are automatically going to have the extra money to spend.
I'm just imagining AMD in the corner twiddling their thumbs as the money starts the roll in.
@coliver said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@travisdh1 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Nvidia may be trying to prevent GeForce GPUs from being used in data centers!
Nvidia: we don't like money.
I get that they think they'll sell more of their more expensive products designed to be used in a data center, but that doesn't mean customers are automatically going to have the extra money to spend.
I'm just imagining AMD in the corner twiddling their thumbs as the money starts the roll in.
AMD is just winning this week, in every possible way.
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@coliver said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@coliver said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@travisdh1 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Nvidia may be trying to prevent GeForce GPUs from being used in data centers!
Nvidia: we don't like money.
I get that they think they'll sell more of their more expensive products designed to be used in a data center, but that doesn't mean customers are automatically going to have the extra money to spend.
I'm just imagining AMD in the corner twiddling their thumbs as the money starts the roll in.
It's odd really. AMD was on their last leg just a few years ago. Now with the recent Intel and Nvidia announcements we may see AMD as king for a short period before ARM takes over.
@coliver said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@coliver said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@travisdh1 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Nvidia may be trying to prevent GeForce GPUs from being used in data centers!
Nvidia: we don't like money.
I get that they think they'll sell more of their more expensive products designed to be used in a data center, but that doesn't mean customers are automatically going to have the extra money to spend.
I'm just imagining AMD in the corner twiddling their thumbs as the money starts the roll in.
It's odd really. AMD was on their last leg just a few years ago. Now with the recent Intel and Nvidia announcements we may see AMD as king for a short period before ARM takes over.
AMD and ARM will likely work together, a lot. ARM doesn't make chips, so ARM alone can't take over.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@coliver said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@coliver said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@travisdh1 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Nvidia may be trying to prevent GeForce GPUs from being used in data centers!
Nvidia: we don't like money.
I get that they think they'll sell more of their more expensive products designed to be used in a data center, but that doesn't mean customers are automatically going to have the extra money to spend.
I'm just imagining AMD in the corner twiddling their thumbs as the money starts the roll in.
It's odd really. AMD was on their last leg just a few years ago. Now with the recent Intel and Nvidia announcements we may see AMD as king for a short period before ARM takes over.
@coliver said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@coliver said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@travisdh1 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Nvidia may be trying to prevent GeForce GPUs from being used in data centers!
Nvidia: we don't like money.
I get that they think they'll sell more of their more expensive products designed to be used in a data center, but that doesn't mean customers are automatically going to have the extra money to spend.
I'm just imagining AMD in the corner twiddling their thumbs as the money starts the roll in.
It's odd really. AMD was on their last leg just a few years ago. Now with the recent Intel and Nvidia announcements we may see AMD as king for a short period before ARM takes over.
AMD and ARM will likely work together, a lot. ARM doesn't make chips, so ARM alone can't take over.
From market reports AMD has been going hard on new chip manufacturing facilities. So you're probably right.
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AMD and ARM have made chips together in the past. Nearly everyone works with ARM, they are one of the best design firms out there.
