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    • coliverC
      coliver @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      Dealing with a health insurance company who is refusing to pay the hospital because we didn't file a car insurance claim... there was no damage to the car other then my wife spraining her wrist...

      They might have a point on that one. If you get injured from a car accident, it is the requirement of the insurance of the person that caused the accident to pay for the medical claims stemming from it. That there is no damage to the car doesn't actually play into it. There was damage, and a claim made, but no paperwork filed. If you look at it from the insurance point of view, it sounds valid. Why are they getting the bill for the other insurance company's issue?

      Hmm, I see your point so the liability would be on the car insurance. Just not something that clicks in my head.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @coliver
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        @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        Dealing with a health insurance company who is refusing to pay the hospital because we didn't file a car insurance claim... there was no damage to the car other then my wife spraining her wrist...

        They might have a point on that one. If you get injured from a car accident, it is the requirement of the insurance of the person that caused the accident to pay for the medical claims stemming from it. That there is no damage to the car doesn't actually play into it. There was damage, and a claim made, but no paperwork filed. If you look at it from the insurance point of view, it sounds valid. Why are they getting the bill for the other insurance company's issue?

        Hmm, I see your point so the liability would be on the car insurance. Just not something that clicks in my head.

        Right, because it was, presumably, the fault of the other driver.

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        • coliverC
          coliver
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          The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @coliver
            last edited by

            @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

            tell me about it.

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            • travisdh1T
              travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

              tell me about it.

              Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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                @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

                tell me about it.

                Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

                But not as big of a challenge as getting humans to do it.

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                • coliverC
                  coliver @travisdh1
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                  @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

                  tell me about it.

                  Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

                  And yet they are still doing it many times better then human drivers.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @travisdh1
                    last edited by

                    @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

                    tell me about it.

                    Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

                    The probable worse issue is getting the cars to anticipate what crazy humans will do.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                      last edited by

                      @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

                      tell me about it.

                      Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

                      The probable worse issue is getting the cars to anticipate what crazy humans will do.

                      That's why we need to outlaw the dangerous pieces and just keep the safe ones. They've already shown that the track record thus far is that ALL accidents are being caused by humans.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

                        tell me about it.

                        Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

                        The probable worse issue is getting the cars to anticipate what crazy humans will do.

                        That's why we need to outlaw the dangerous pieces and just keep the safe ones. They've already shown that the track record thus far is that ALL accidents are being caused by humans.

                        Sadly, people feel that their rights are being taken away by not being allowed to drive.

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                        • coliverC
                          coliver @Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

                          tell me about it.

                          Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

                          The probable worse issue is getting the cars to anticipate what crazy humans will do.

                          My big concern right now is how well do self-driving cars work in the snow/ice that we get in upstate NY... Although intelligent traction control has already been shown to be better then a human when encountering ice and hydroplaning. That's a fairly simple AI comparatively.

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                          • EddieJenningsE
                            EddieJennings @Dashrender
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                            @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            Sadly, people feel that their rights are being taken away by not being allowed to drive.

                            People often are delusional about what actual rights they have. 😛

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                            • coliverC
                              coliver @Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

                              tell me about it.

                              Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

                              The probable worse issue is getting the cars to anticipate what crazy humans will do.

                              That's why we need to outlaw the dangerous pieces and just keep the safe ones. They've already shown that the track record thus far is that ALL accidents are being caused by humans.

                              Sadly, people feel that their rights are being taken away by not being allowed to drive.

                              Who believes they have a right to drive? I've never seen that claimed. The whole licensing processes kind of goes against that.

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                              • NerdyDadN
                                NerdyDad @coliver
                                last edited by

                                @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

                                tell me about it.

                                Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

                                The probable worse issue is getting the cars to anticipate what crazy humans will do.

                                That's why we need to outlaw the dangerous pieces and just keep the safe ones. They've already shown that the track record thus far is that ALL accidents are being caused by humans.

                                Sadly, people feel that their rights are being taken away by not being allowed to drive.

                                Who believes they have a right to drive? I've never seen that claimed. The whole licensing processes kind of goes against that.

                                Try taking the keys from your elderly parent when its unsafe for them to drive but they don't see it that way.

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                                • coliverC
                                  coliver @NerdyDad
                                  last edited by

                                  @nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

                                  tell me about it.

                                  Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

                                  The probable worse issue is getting the cars to anticipate what crazy humans will do.

                                  That's why we need to outlaw the dangerous pieces and just keep the safe ones. They've already shown that the track record thus far is that ALL accidents are being caused by humans.

                                  Sadly, people feel that their rights are being taken away by not being allowed to drive.

                                  Who believes they have a right to drive? I've never seen that claimed. The whole licensing processes kind of goes against that.

                                  Try taking the keys from your elderly parent when its unsafe for them to drive but they don't see it that way.

                                  That's fair. Although they would still be able to drive with a self driving car.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @EddieJennings
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                                    @eddiejennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    Sadly, people feel that their rights are being taken away by not being allowed to drive.

                                    People often are delusional about what actual rights they have. 😛

                                    Exactly - that's why it's italicized.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @coliver
                                      last edited by

                                      @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

                                      tell me about it.

                                      Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

                                      The probable worse issue is getting the cars to anticipate what crazy humans will do.

                                      That's why we need to outlaw the dangerous pieces and just keep the safe ones. They've already shown that the track record thus far is that ALL accidents are being caused by humans.

                                      Sadly, people feel that their rights are being taken away by not being allowed to drive.

                                      Who believes they have a right to drive? I've never seen that claimed. The whole licensing processes kind of goes against that.

                                      It's really more the crazy way some people talk. I believe that most realize it's note a "right" but currently basically a universal given assuming you pass the test and haven't given them a reason to not allow you to (DUI, etc). So they kinda view it as a quasi-right.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @NerdyDad
                                        last edited by

                                        @nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

                                        tell me about it.

                                        Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

                                        The probable worse issue is getting the cars to anticipate what crazy humans will do.

                                        That's why we need to outlaw the dangerous pieces and just keep the safe ones. They've already shown that the track record thus far is that ALL accidents are being caused by humans.

                                        Sadly, people feel that their rights are being taken away by not being allowed to drive.

                                        Who believes they have a right to drive? I've never seen that claimed. The whole licensing processes kind of goes against that.

                                        Try taking the keys from your elderly parent when its unsafe for them to drive but they don't see it that way.

                                        Exactly - though this is not exactly the same. At least in the city - making all cars self driving doesn't keep you locked at home. If anything it's more freeing for a person.

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                                        • NerdyDadN
                                          NerdyDad @Dashrender
                                          last edited by

                                          @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

                                          tell me about it.

                                          Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

                                          The probable worse issue is getting the cars to anticipate what crazy humans will do.

                                          That's why we need to outlaw the dangerous pieces and just keep the safe ones. They've already shown that the track record thus far is that ALL accidents are being caused by humans.

                                          Sadly, people feel that their rights are being taken away by not being allowed to drive.

                                          Who believes they have a right to drive? I've never seen that claimed. The whole licensing processes kind of goes against that.

                                          Try taking the keys from your elderly parent when its unsafe for them to drive but they don't see it that way.

                                          Exactly - though this is not exactly the same. At least in the city - making all cars self driving doesn't keep you locked at home. If anything it's more freeing for a person.

                                          We have somewhat had that ever since taxis have existed. You're just paying somebody else to do the driving for you.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                            @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            The self-driving car revolution can't come soon enough.

                                            tell me about it.

                                            Well, the Lidar sensors are generally quite expensive still. While some companies claim to have solved that issue, getting a machine learning platform to learn all the nuances involved in operating a multi-ton object safely still seems to be a challenge 😉

                                            The probable worse issue is getting the cars to anticipate what crazy humans will do.

                                            That's why we need to outlaw the dangerous pieces and just keep the safe ones. They've already shown that the track record thus far is that ALL accidents are being caused by humans.

                                            Sadly, people feel that their rights are being taken away by not being allowed to drive.

                                            Who believes they have a right to drive? I've never seen that claimed. The whole licensing processes kind of goes against that.

                                            It's really more the crazy way some people talk. I believe that most realize it's note a "right" but currently basically a universal given assuming you pass the test and haven't given them a reason to not allow you to (DUI, etc). So they kinda view it as a quasi-right.

                                            Which is should be. People say "driving is a privilege", instead of a right. But in reality, if you step back and think about it, something that is a privilege instead of a right... is just a right not protected from discrimination. Nothing should be subjective the way that driving is. It hugely impacts the ability to work, social mobility, freedom, safety, etc. of people, yet individuals with zero oversight, credentials, or understanding have the power to discriminate freely with it.

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