Three Word Address
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@scottalanmiller said in Three Word Address:
@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
@scottalanmiller said in Three Word Address:
@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
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@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
@scottalanmiller said in Three Word Address:
@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
When you call the cops you give them the address you're at right?
Not in the real world, no. That's a television thing.
BAHAHAH you're insane.
You absolutely give them your address. Just because the police in developed areas can quickly pull your location doesn't mean that they are equipped to do so in the parts of the world where this would be critical.
In those parts of the world, it's even more critical to have GPS, because, as mentioned.. there are not streets for which to give an address on.
More critical for the police to have GPS. As a person who lives there, you simply need to know YOUR location.
That's theoretically useful in the case where you are sending a message in a bottle and somehow know your three word address and memorized it and you wont' move for years and hopefully someone gets that bottle and finds your note and sends the police. But for anyone with a phone, this is just silly.
You're being close minded and not seeing how people actually operate. In the ted talk he clearly talks about how emergency responders can't accurately get to where help is because of a lack of human readable addresses in many parts of the world.
Lat and Longitude are not "human readable" they may be Scott readable, but there aren't many Scott's out there.
Actually, I'm basing this off of the fact that I do consulting work around this exact kind of stuff in exactly these kinds of regions.
I think you are being suckered by a commercial and don't realize how much they are trying to sell you something without giving you a reason to want to buy it.
I'm not in a need to buy into such a system. I'm arguing the points made by the presenter.
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@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
@coliver said in Three Word Address:
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@scottalanmiller said in Three Word Address:
@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
When you call the cops you give them the address you're at right?
Not in the real world, no. That's a television thing.
BAHAHAH you're insane.
You absolutely give them your address. Just because the police in developed areas can quickly pull your location doesn't mean that they are equipped to do so in the parts of the world where this would be critical.
Wait what? Your phone is registered and your info comes up on a screen. They ask you the current location just to confirm and to make sure they know who they are talking to. Even with cell phones they get the info the line is currently registered to and the GPS coordinates of the device or nearest cell phone tower.
This is the reason dialing 911 and leaving the phone off hook in the event of a break in or domestic issues is so important because it gets them to you with out you having to say anything.
That's my point, scott flat out argued me that they don't ask for your current location.
Phones can be off by a lot in terms of GPS positioning. This is down to a 3 meter square.
They will ask but they don't need it. It's not something that's really important in the call and is never recorded outside of audio recordings.
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@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
@coliver said in Three Word Address:
@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
@scottalanmiller said in Three Word Address:
@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
When you call the cops you give them the address you're at right?
Not in the real world, no. That's a television thing.
BAHAHAH you're insane.
You absolutely give them your address. Just because the police in developed areas can quickly pull your location doesn't mean that they are equipped to do so in the parts of the world where this would be critical.
Wait what? Your phone is registered and your info comes up on a screen. They ask you the current location just to confirm and to make sure they know who they are talking to. Even with cell phones they get the info the line is currently registered to and the GPS coordinates of the device or nearest cell phone tower.
This is the reason dialing 911 and leaving the phone off hook in the event of a break in or domestic issues is so important because it gets them to you with out you having to say anything.
That's my point, scott flat out argued me that they don't ask for your current location.
Phones can be off by a lot in terms of GPS positioning. This is down to a 3 meter square.
Yes, but how do you know that wasn't off? It was derived from a phone in the first place.
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@scottalanmiller really you work in many gutter cities around the world?
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@coliver said in Three Word Address:
@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
@coliver said in Three Word Address:
@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
@scottalanmiller said in Three Word Address:
@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
When you call the cops you give them the address you're at right?
Not in the real world, no. That's a television thing.
BAHAHAH you're insane.
You absolutely give them your address. Just because the police in developed areas can quickly pull your location doesn't mean that they are equipped to do so in the parts of the world where this would be critical.
Wait what? Your phone is registered and your info comes up on a screen. They ask you the current location just to confirm and to make sure they know who they are talking to. Even with cell phones they get the info the line is currently registered to and the GPS coordinates of the device or nearest cell phone tower.
This is the reason dialing 911 and leaving the phone off hook in the event of a break in or domestic issues is so important because it gets them to you with out you having to say anything.
That's my point, scott flat out argued me that they don't ask for your current location.
Phones can be off by a lot in terms of GPS positioning. This is down to a 3 meter square.
They will ask but they don't need it. It's not something that's really important in the call and is never recorded outside of audio recordings.
It's really just a placebo to make people who don't understand technology more comfortable and a double check that systems are working as expected. In many cases they need a room or suite or floor that GPS (and ergo three words) can't supply.
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@scottalanmiller how is it you were amazed at Potty Plotter, but this is somehow not useful?
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@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
@scottalanmiller really you work in many gutter cities around the world?
C'mon, you know that I do.
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@scottalanmiller said in Three Word Address:
@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
@scottalanmiller really you work in many gutter cities around the world?
C'mon, you know that I do.
I'm not talking Rochester.
I'm talking places similar to this (not sure what this exact location is though)
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/a5/e5/b3/a5e5b38c14db1e522497e8fbf2e77ecf--favela-rio-virtual-travel.jpg
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I used to live one street over from a shanty town... no plumbing, no power, no addresses. Real world, exactly what Dustin is talking about. You don't take picturs in the shanty town itself. This is from my front door, but only minutes away on foot. Like ten houses down.
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@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
@scottalanmiller said in Three Word Address:
@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
@scottalanmiller really you work in many gutter cities around the world?
C'mon, you know that I do.
I'm not talking Rochester.
I'm talking places similar to this (not sure what this exact location is though)
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/a5/e5/b3/a5e5b38c14db1e522497e8fbf2e77ecf--favela-rio-virtual-travel.jpg
That's Rio in the picture. That's actually way more organized and upscale than I'm used to. That's not actually a shanty town at all, that's just a poor neighbourhood.
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I'm talking places where people live without walls, where there is no structural house just siding leaning against each other maybe tied together with rope or whatever can be found, real shanty towns.
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I was hanging out in a horrible mountain side shanty town (currogated three side deals, no doors, no water, no power) that was mostly families begging for field work once in a while and these kids were playing in some abandoned old religious building up the hill and came out and asked me to take their picture. I wouldn't take the camera out in the shanties themselves, no polite and not safe, but as these kids asked it was fine.
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And in shanty towns like this, someone has a phone and they would have to in order to call for emergency services. If they had no phones, then the only hope would be finding a tuc tuc in the dark to take someone down the mountain. Bottom line... if they can call out they don't need the 3 words. And if they can't call out, the 3 words wouldn't have been useful.
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This just seems ridiculous to me. If you tell me you live at blue.up.dog, I have no way to figure out how to get there. At least with street addresses you can tell where other streets intersect and are able to find things if you need to. With random words every 9 feet it’s impossible to know anything without looking at that map.
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@stacksofplates said in Three Word Address:
This just seems ridiculous to me. If you tell me you live at blue.up.dog, I have no way to figure out how to get there. At least with street addresses you can tell where other streets intersect and are able to find things if you need to. With random words every 9 feet it’s impossible to know anything without looking at that map.
Right, so you are still totally dependent on all of the old technology, and the new too. It gives no fallback should any piece fail. Both addresses and GPS have "the system is offline" analogues.
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The real issue is that this isn't someone trying to solve a real world problem. Just watch the video, all of his issues that he claims he is trying to solve are problems that have not existed for years in the real world. He gives very first world 1990s examples of things to solve. Then ignores all modern technology and realities of the world and proposes a private company step in and create some ridiculous system that makes no sense and is desperately trying to sell it so that he can pay for his next house.
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@stacksofplates said in Three Word Address:
This just seems ridiculous to me. If you tell me you live at blue.up.dog, I have no way to figure out how to get there. At least with street addresses you can tell where other streets intersect and are able to find things if you need to. With random words every 9 feet it’s impossible to know anything without looking at that map.
You're all missing the point.
This isn't for parts of the world with current addressing systems like the US or UK or other well established systems.
This is for the shanty towns and places of the world where there is no addressing system at all. For governments that can't get their [moderated] together.
It's easy to adopt, and easy to deploy. A paint crew would just have to go out and paint on the side of a shack the exact location according to this system.
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@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
It's easy to adopt, and easy to deploy. A paint crew would just have to go out and paint on the side of a shack the exact location according to this system.
That's not easy. And shacks move, all the time. They aren't solid structures.
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@scottalanmiller said in Three Word Address:
@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
It's easy to adopt, and easy to deploy. A paint crew would just have to go out and paint on the side of a shack the exact location according to this system.
That's not easy. And shacks move, all the time. They aren't solid structures.
Fine... paint on the ground. IDK how exactly to explain in to you in a way that the specific ground address for those 3 meters isn't moving.
Who cares what is on that ground. You're in ginger.dead.garlic at the moment. Oh now you're in fried.bull.balls. Oh now you're testing.my.patience
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@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
@scottalanmiller said in Three Word Address:
@dustinb3403 said in Three Word Address:
It's easy to adopt, and easy to deploy. A paint crew would just have to go out and paint on the side of a shack the exact location according to this system.
That's not easy. And shacks move, all the time. They aren't solid structures.
Fine... paint on the ground.
On dirt? You are the one pointing out that there is nothing there. This makes no sense. If you can't have addresses, how are you going to have some reliable signage system covering all this space? For that effort, they could make roads!
