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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      Added:

      Strict hierarchy is a socially acceptable way of stating "intentionally suppressing exposure".

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      • travisdh1T
        travisdh1
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        "Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."

        Granted this covers more than just IT, but so very relevant.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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          @travisdh1 said in IT Quotes I Like:

          "Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."

          Granted this covers more than just IT, but so very relevant.

          Who said that? Sounds like something I would say.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in IT Quotes I Like:

            @travisdh1 said in IT Quotes I Like:

            "Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."

            Granted this covers more than just IT, but so very relevant.

            Who said that? Sounds like something I would say.

            It was posted somewhere in the last week

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            • travisdh1T
              travisdh1 @Dashrender
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              @dashrender said in IT Quotes I Like:

              @scottalanmiller said in IT Quotes I Like:

              @travisdh1 said in IT Quotes I Like:

              "Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."

              Granted this covers more than just IT, but so very relevant.

              Who said that? Sounds like something I would say.

              It was posted somewhere in the last week

              I got it from Steve Gibson, but he was quoting someone else, and I wasn't fast enough to write down who he got it from.

              I agree, sounds very much like something you'd say @scottalanmiller.

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              • DustinB3403D
                DustinB3403
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                This is one I hate more than anything:

                "That's not how we do it, because we've always done it this (other) way"

                Okay while why? What issues have happened, what reasoning is there?

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
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                  Raises are given when the company is healthy, titles are given when things are going badly.

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                  • WLS-ITGuyW
                    WLS-ITGuy
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                    Had a boss when I was at my first IT job say "efficiency doesn't always pay the bills"

                    We were arguing over the fact that we estimated a job to be 25 hours and it only took us 19. Rather than sit at the job for another 5 hours to make the money we wrapped up. The powers that be didn't like that. I wasn't there too much longer

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                    • ObsolesceO
                      Obsolesce @WLS-ITGuy
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                      @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                      Had a boss when I was at my first IT job say "efficiency doesn't always pay the bills"

                      We were arguing over the fact that we estimated a job to be 25 hours and it only took us 19. Rather than sit at the job for another 5 hours to make the money we wrapped up. The powers that be didn't like that. I wasn't there too much longer

                      That could be considered stealing imo.

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                      • WLS-ITGuyW
                        WLS-ITGuy @Obsolesce
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                        @tim_g said in IT Quotes I Like:

                        @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                        Had a boss when I was at my first IT job say "efficiency doesn't always pay the bills"

                        We were arguing over the fact that we estimated a job to be 25 hours and it only took us 19. Rather than sit at the job for another 5 hours to make the money we wrapped up. The powers that be didn't like that. I wasn't there too much longer

                        That could be considered stealing imo.

                        Happened all the time. Bid X # of hours. Finish early, drag it out until we hit the hours bid.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                          last edited by

                          @tim_g said in IT Quotes I Like:

                          @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                          Had a boss when I was at my first IT job say "efficiency doesn't always pay the bills"

                          We were arguing over the fact that we estimated a job to be 25 hours and it only took us 19. Rather than sit at the job for another 5 hours to make the money we wrapped up. The powers that be didn't like that. I wasn't there too much longer

                          That could be considered stealing imo.

                          Depends on the contract.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @WLS-ITGuy
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                            @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                            @tim_g said in IT Quotes I Like:

                            @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                            Had a boss when I was at my first IT job say "efficiency doesn't always pay the bills"

                            We were arguing over the fact that we estimated a job to be 25 hours and it only took us 19. Rather than sit at the job for another 5 hours to make the money we wrapped up. The powers that be didn't like that. I wasn't there too much longer

                            That could be considered stealing imo.

                            Happened all the time. Bid X # of hours. Finish early, drag it out until we hit the hours bid.

                            Hours bid generally means that those hours are negotiated and the expectation is that finishing faster does not mean lower cost.

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                            • ObsolesceO
                              Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said in IT Quotes I Like:

                              @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                              @tim_g said in IT Quotes I Like:

                              @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                              Had a boss when I was at my first IT job say "efficiency doesn't always pay the bills"

                              We were arguing over the fact that we estimated a job to be 25 hours and it only took us 19. Rather than sit at the job for another 5 hours to make the money we wrapped up. The powers that be didn't like that. I wasn't there too much longer

                              That could be considered stealing imo.

                              Happened all the time. Bid X # of hours. Finish early, drag it out until we hit the hours bid.

                              Hours bid generally means that those hours are negotiated and the expectation is that finishing faster does not mean lower cost.

                              Yeah it depends, but that's now how it seems he meant it. I took it as the customer paid for hours worked, not hours negotiated up front.

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @WLS-ITGuy
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                                @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                @tim_g said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                Had a boss when I was at my first IT job say "efficiency doesn't always pay the bills"

                                We were arguing over the fact that we estimated a job to be 25 hours and it only took us 19. Rather than sit at the job for another 5 hours to make the money we wrapped up. The powers that be didn't like that. I wasn't there too much longer

                                That could be considered stealing imo.

                                Happened all the time. Bid X # of hours. Finish early, drag it out until we hit the hours bid.

                                You fix this by bidding the project, not the hours. Of course, this can royally bite you in the ass.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                  @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                  @tim_g said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                  @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                  Had a boss when I was at my first IT job say "efficiency doesn't always pay the bills"

                                  We were arguing over the fact that we estimated a job to be 25 hours and it only took us 19. Rather than sit at the job for another 5 hours to make the money we wrapped up. The powers that be didn't like that. I wasn't there too much longer

                                  That could be considered stealing imo.

                                  Happened all the time. Bid X # of hours. Finish early, drag it out until we hit the hours bid.

                                  Hours bid generally means that those hours are negotiated and the expectation is that finishing faster does not mean lower cost.

                                  It seems odd to use an hour marker in this situation, instead of just a bid dollar amount, but whatev'

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                    @dashrender said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                    @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                    @tim_g said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                    @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                    Had a boss when I was at my first IT job say "efficiency doesn't always pay the bills"

                                    We were arguing over the fact that we estimated a job to be 25 hours and it only took us 19. Rather than sit at the job for another 5 hours to make the money we wrapped up. The powers that be didn't like that. I wasn't there too much longer

                                    That could be considered stealing imo.

                                    Happened all the time. Bid X # of hours. Finish early, drag it out until we hit the hours bid.

                                    Hours bid generally means that those hours are negotiated and the expectation is that finishing faster does not mean lower cost.

                                    It seems odd to use an hour marker in this situation, instead of just a bid dollar amount, but whatev'

                                    Because... customers.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                      @dashrender said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                      @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                      @tim_g said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                      @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                      Had a boss when I was at my first IT job say "efficiency doesn't always pay the bills"

                                      We were arguing over the fact that we estimated a job to be 25 hours and it only took us 19. Rather than sit at the job for another 5 hours to make the money we wrapped up. The powers that be didn't like that. I wasn't there too much longer

                                      That could be considered stealing imo.

                                      Happened all the time. Bid X # of hours. Finish early, drag it out until we hit the hours bid.

                                      You fix this by bidding the project, not the hours. Of course, this can royally bite you in the ass.

                                      It's more that you bid for a minimum.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                        @tim_g said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                        @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                        @tim_g said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                        @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                        Had a boss when I was at my first IT job say "efficiency doesn't always pay the bills"

                                        We were arguing over the fact that we estimated a job to be 25 hours and it only took us 19. Rather than sit at the job for another 5 hours to make the money we wrapped up. The powers that be didn't like that. I wasn't there too much longer

                                        That could be considered stealing imo.

                                        Happened all the time. Bid X # of hours. Finish early, drag it out until we hit the hours bid.

                                        Hours bid generally means that those hours are negotiated and the expectation is that finishing faster does not mean lower cost.

                                        Yeah it depends, but that's now how it seems he meant it. I took it as the customer paid for hours worked, not hours negotiated up front.

                                        Coming from the software dev side... I only agree with that in cases where you have total confidence that overruns would not meet with resistance. I know that that is kind of impossible to predict, but you know how it goes. If it is truly hours, there is little need for the estimate. What if the time went over by 50% or more? Would the customer have pushed back? If so, there is little or no justification for accepting fewer hours either.

                                        In one time transactions, this is a tough situation. But I can tell you, software shops get burned by this. They have to take profit where they can get it, because there is so much refusal to pay if the estimate is off in the other direction.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                          @dashrender said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                          @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                          @tim_g said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                          @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                          Had a boss when I was at my first IT job say "efficiency doesn't always pay the bills"

                                          We were arguing over the fact that we estimated a job to be 25 hours and it only took us 19. Rather than sit at the job for another 5 hours to make the money we wrapped up. The powers that be didn't like that. I wasn't there too much longer

                                          That could be considered stealing imo.

                                          Happened all the time. Bid X # of hours. Finish early, drag it out until we hit the hours bid.

                                          You fix this by bidding the project, not the hours. Of course, this can royally bite you in the ass.

                                          It's more that you bid for a minimum.

                                          awww... so that's how all those city construction projects work... yep this road will cost $1 million and be done in 3 months.. oh.. this just a minimum, it could easily be 100x that and take 10 years.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                            @dashrender said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                            @dashrender said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                            @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                            @tim_g said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                            @wls-itguy said in IT Quotes I Like:

                                            Had a boss when I was at my first IT job say "efficiency doesn't always pay the bills"

                                            We were arguing over the fact that we estimated a job to be 25 hours and it only took us 19. Rather than sit at the job for another 5 hours to make the money we wrapped up. The powers that be didn't like that. I wasn't there too much longer

                                            That could be considered stealing imo.

                                            Happened all the time. Bid X # of hours. Finish early, drag it out until we hit the hours bid.

                                            You fix this by bidding the project, not the hours. Of course, this can royally bite you in the ass.

                                            It's more that you bid for a minimum.

                                            awww... so that's how all those city construction projects work... yep this road will cost $1 million and be done in 3 months.. oh.. this just a minimum, it could easily be 100x that and take 10 years.

                                            Of course, it is literally impossible to accurately estimate those kinds of projects. But government, being corrupt, doesn't care about fixing that process. They care about politics. So fake estimates are valuable to them, and overruns are valuable to the vendors. So "everyone" wins because the only loser is the taxpayer who has no say.

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