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@Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.
It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.
Yeah but there are different types of salesman. There are slimey douchebag salesman and honest salesman who are just selling a good product. I want to be honest and clear with my employer and let them know exactly what they are getting, not sell them a golden turd.
Always refer back to this:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.
Actually, according to Scott, as long as they aren't lying, the sales persons are the same, or the second one is not doing their job correctly.
Then we get into what is considered a lie. Let's not use the word lie and instead say misrepresent
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@gjacobse said in Feedback on Resume:
sadly, there are number of cases where titles are really contentious and subjective...
Let's look at what my NTG title is.. or could be.
- Desktop Support Engineer
- Help Desk Level 1
- Help Desk Level 2
- Receptionist
- Field Support Engineer
- Server Administrator
- Network Cable Technician
- Installer
- KY Sales Manager
(Shuew--.. while typing this my computer crashed. I am happy that it retained 90% of the message typed.)
So which of those is right or wrong - since I am doing all of them. and as far as the statement of
Always refer back to this:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.
That's fine. But you are trying to sell yourself to the company, The Resume is a 'Spec' sheet of the product - you. You are the sales person... so....
The challenge is to of course up sell yourself in a manner you are willing to do,.. But at some point - you have to put yourself out there...
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@gjacobse said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse said in Feedback on Resume:
sadly, there are number of cases where titles are really contentious and subjective...
Let's look at what my NTG title is.. or could be.
- Desktop Support Engineer
- Help Desk Level 1
- Help Desk Level 2
- Receptionist
- Field Support Engineer
- Server Administrator
- Network Cable Technician
- Installer
- KY Sales Manager
(Shuew--.. while typing this my computer crashed. I am happy that it retained 90% of the message typed.)
So which of those is right or wrong - since I am doing all of them. and as far as the statement of
Always refer back to this:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.
That's fine. But you are trying to sell yourself to the company, The Resume is a 'Spec' sheet of the product - you. You are the sales person... so....
The challenge is to of course up sell yourself in a manner you are willing to do,.. But at some point - you have to put yourself out there...
Right
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.
It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.
Yeah but there are different types of salesman. There are slimey douchebag salesman and honest salesman who are just selling a good product. I want to be honest and clear with my employer and let them know exactly what they are getting, not sell them a golden turd.
Always refer back to this:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.
Are you a golden turd? If not what do you have to worry about?
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@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse I'm just not willing to play that game. When someone asks me what I do I just say computer shit. They can make assumptions about what level I am at because they aren't interviewing me and it doesn't matter. The interview process sucks because you have to represent yourself in a fake way.
It's marketing, and marketing yourself will be the sole biggest effect of your career. It will determine everything from how much money you will make, how much training you will get (free or out of pocket), what position you can get, etc.
Yeah but there are different types of salesman. There are slimey douchebag salesman and honest salesman who are just selling a good product. I want to be honest and clear with my employer and let them know exactly what they are getting, not sell them a golden turd.
Always refer back to this:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:I just don't like the idea of someone dictating the kind of person I am.
Are you a golden turd? If not what do you have to worry about?
If I present myself in a dishonest way I'm a golden turd in the sense that i look great but I'm actually shit (can't do my job)
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FIrst note... the formatting isn't all aligned. That's important. I'm sure it's just a work in progress, but it's misaligned in Google Docs, so worth addressing.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse I've always been under the impression that you should highlight your strongest stuff first. My experience is stronger than my knowledge on paper although I do have a lot of stuff to add.
In your skills section, yes. In your job history do it chronologically.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@gjacobse The hard part of that is honesty. Most of the people I'll be competing with will be lying. I've seen it everywhere. It's hard to compete with people that might as well not exist (they aren't actually who they are presenting). I will typically get the job once I stop becoming a name on a piece of paper, but it's hard to get past that point.
To be fair, I think candidates do this less than the jobs themselves do!
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A System Administrator is just that. There is not and never has been a thing called "System's Administrator".
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Take out your address. City is okay, major city is fine. Actual address is a security vulnerability and makes you look like you don't think well about security.
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@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
A System Administrator is just that. There is not and never has been a thing called "System's Administrator".
There has been, you just don't recognize it. My title could be called Krinkle Dink the Elf and it would be a thing, just unrecognized.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
A System Administrator is just that. There is not and never has been a thing called "System's Administrator".
There has been, you just don't recognize it. My title could be called Krinkle Dink the Elf and it would be a thing, just unrecognized.
No, this is a job description field, not a gibberish some idiot wrote on a form field. No matter what someone in HR got wrong, there is no JOB called "system's administrator".
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@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
A System Administrator is just that. There is not and never has been a thing called "System's Administrator".
There has been, you just don't recognize it. My title could be called Krinkle Dink the Elf and it would be a thing, just unrecognized.
No, this is a job description field, not a gibberish some idiot wrote on a form field. No matter what someone in HR got wrong, there is no JOB called "system's administrator".
So you're saying I should give myself a title?
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There is only one Linux called "Red Hat" and it was discontinued over a decade ago. Red Hat Linux is long gone. But it is what you highlight on your resume. The current Linux that is what CentOS is based on is called RHEL or Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Getting the name of the top skill wrong is a big deal. It looks like you don't know the product that you are listing.
Also, you've never worked with any Windows prior to 2016?
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
A System Administrator is just that. There is not and never has been a thing called "System's Administrator".
There has been, you just don't recognize it. My title could be called Krinkle Dink the Elf and it would be a thing, just unrecognized.
No, this is a job description field, not a gibberish some idiot wrote on a form field. No matter what someone in HR got wrong, there is no JOB called "system's administrator".
So you're saying I should give myself a title?
No, you should be honest about your job, never post a lie or a title. Titles are totally useless. If you are lucky your job and your title are the same. But if I saw this and you put System Admin (even with the words right) you'd be straight to the bin for obviously lying. Title nor not, it's a lie to put it here.
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@scottalanmiller Then after I write these descriptions we will have to go over what to title myself as based on my description of the responsibilities
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I think a lot of the title stuff depends on your audience. In my experience, giant corporations love the ridiculous titles, where in small business, a title could easily land your resume directly in the garbage can. This is what we look at every day sifting through resumes, but then again, we are essentially a mom and pop shop.
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@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
I think a lot of the title stuff depends on your audience. In my experience, giant corporations love the ridiculous titles, where in small business, a title could easily land your resume directly in the garbage can. This is what we look at every day sifting through resumes, but then again, we are essentially a mom and pop shop.
Seems like that should be the opposite. A mom and pop store shouldn't care about title they should care about work experience and skills. Actually no one should really be looking at a title it doesn't really mean a whole lot to the industry as a whole (outside of extremely large companies).
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@coliver said in Feedback on Resume:
@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
I think a lot of the title stuff depends on your audience. In my experience, giant corporations love the ridiculous titles, where in small business, a title could easily land your resume directly in the garbage can. This is what we look at every day sifting through resumes, but then again, we are essentially a mom and pop shop.
Seems like that should be the opposite. A mom and pop store shouldn't care about title they should care about work experience and skills. Actually no one should really be looking at a title it doesn't really mean a whole lot to the industry as a whole (outside of extremely large companies).
Here Here.
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@coliver said in Feedback on Resume:
@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
I think a lot of the title stuff depends on your audience. In my experience, giant corporations love the ridiculous titles, where in small business, a title could easily land your resume directly in the garbage can. This is what we look at every day sifting through resumes, but then again, we are essentially a mom and pop shop.
Seems like that should be the opposite. A mom and pop store shouldn't care about title they should care about work experience and skills. Actually no one should really be looking at a title it doesn't really mean a whole lot to the industry as a whole (outside of extremely large companies).
If I only took a job with people who understood this I'd be homeless though
