Managing Hyper-V
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@Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@JaredBusch said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender opened this thread with a poor hypothetical scenario.
It is something that can apply to an ITSP or consultant, but it is completely not something that will apply to the vast majority of deployments.
Not hypothetical at all - It's Wired's setup.
@wirestyle22 works for a MSP correct? This MSP manages disparate city equipment.
This is ok different than any other MSP scenario.
Nothing on his machine should have always access to disparate networks.
So the thing you are proposing should not exist.
Now if these disparate networks, with various AD domains, are all city networks, then just pick a domain to join all the hypervirors to and move one.
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@JaredBusch said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@JaredBusch said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender opened this thread with a poor hypothetical scenario.
It is something that can apply to an ITSP or consultant, but it is completely not something that will apply to the vast majority of deployments.
Not hypothetical at all - It's Wired's setup.
@wirestyle22 works for a MSP correct? This MSP manages disparate city equipment.
This is ok different than any other MSP scenario.
Nothing on his machine should have always access to disparate networks.
So the thing you are proposing should not exist.
Now if these disparate networks, with various AD domains, are all city networks, then just pick a domain to join all the hypervirors to and move one.
In this example we are only managing city equipment but it all exists on multiple subdomains.
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@Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@JaredBusch said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender opened this thread with a poor hypothetical scenario.
It is something that can apply to an ITSP or consultant, but it is completely not something that will apply to the vast majority of deployments.
In fact, no one ever actually answered my question, Should all Hyper-V hosts be in a single domain to simplify Hyper-V host management?
The only thing that resembles an answer is no - because we don't join the domain at all
That is completely the opposite of what I said. I said join everything to the domain.
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@wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@JaredBusch said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@JaredBusch said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender opened this thread with a poor hypothetical scenario.
It is something that can apply to an ITSP or consultant, but it is completely not something that will apply to the vast majority of deployments.
Not hypothetical at all - It's Wired's setup.
@wirestyle22 works for a MSP correct? This MSP manages disparate city equipment.
This is ok different than any other MSP scenario.
Nothing on his machine should have always access to disparate networks.
So the thing you are proposing should not exist.
Now if these disparate networks, with various AD domains, are all city networks, then just pick a domain to join all the hypervirors to and move one.
In this example we are only managing city equipment but it all exists on multiple subdomains.
Then pick one and join them all to it.
Make a VM on a workstation or something that is also joined to that domain and connect to that VM to manage them.
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@JaredBusch said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@JaredBusch said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender opened this thread with a poor hypothetical scenario.
It is something that can apply to an ITSP or consultant, but it is completely not something that will apply to the vast majority of deployments.
Not hypothetical at all - It's Wired's setup.
@wirestyle22 works for a MSP correct? This MSP manages disparate city equipment.
This is ok different than any other MSP scenario.
Nothing on his machine should have always access to disparate networks.
So the thing you are proposing should not exist.
Now if these disparate networks, with various AD domains, are all city networks, then just pick a domain to join all the hypervirors to and move one.
Wired's machine that he is using to manage the Hyper-V for the City, all belong to the city. So for the sake of this conversation, ignore that he actually works for an MSP. Instead consider him an internal IT resource.
Which then moves to you agreeing with the idea of putting all Hyper-V hosts into a single domain for ease of management.
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@Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
I don't understand what the issue is here. Install and configure a Hyper-V Host... then connect to it via Hyper-V Manager, FCM, or PowerShell. None of the Windows GUI tools do anything that you cannot do with PowerShell. In fact it's the other way around. You can do way more to Hyper-V with PowerShell than from any tool. Just learn the commands and move on. They are so easy.
That allows you to manage the hypervisor.. what about getting console access to the VMs?
Hyper-V Manager gives you console access to the VMs.
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@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
I don't understand what the issue is here. Install and configure a Hyper-V Host... then connect to it via Hyper-V Manager, FCM, or PowerShell. None of the Windows GUI tools do anything that you cannot do with PowerShell. In fact it's the other way around. You can do way more to Hyper-V with PowerShell than from any tool. Just learn the commands and move on. They are so easy.
That allows you to manage the hypervisor.. what about getting console access to the VMs?
Hyper-V Manager gives you console access to the VMs.
Is that a PowerShell tool? How do you get the console via PowerShell?
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
I don't understand what the issue is here. Install and configure a Hyper-V Host... then connect to it via Hyper-V Manager, FCM, or PowerShell. None of the Windows GUI tools do anything that you cannot do with PowerShell. In fact it's the other way around. You can do way more to Hyper-V with PowerShell than from any tool. Just learn the commands and move on. They are so easy.
That allows you to manage the hypervisor.. what about getting console access to the VMs?
Hyper-V Manager gives you console access to the VMs.
Is that a PowerShell tool? How do you get the console via PowerShell?
I'm kind of heading the cloud way without a cloud. My prod templates anymore don't have console logins. I mean you can look at the console but no users can log in through it. Only SSH from Tower with a 4096 bit key.
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However I have no idea if this is possible with Windows or not.
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@stacksofplates said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
I don't understand what the issue is here. Install and configure a Hyper-V Host... then connect to it via Hyper-V Manager, FCM, or PowerShell. None of the Windows GUI tools do anything that you cannot do with PowerShell. In fact it's the other way around. You can do way more to Hyper-V with PowerShell than from any tool. Just learn the commands and move on. They are so easy.
That allows you to manage the hypervisor.. what about getting console access to the VMs?
Hyper-V Manager gives you console access to the VMs.
Is that a PowerShell tool? How do you get the console via PowerShell?
I'm kind of heading the cloud way without a cloud. My prod templates anymore don't have console logins. I mean you can look at the console but no users can log in through it. Only SSH from Tower with a 4096 bit key.
Right, this is what I was thinking is a good fix. But it requires building that template somewhere initially.
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@stacksofplates said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
I don't understand what the issue is here. Install and configure a Hyper-V Host... then connect to it via Hyper-V Manager, FCM, or PowerShell. None of the Windows GUI tools do anything that you cannot do with PowerShell. In fact it's the other way around. You can do way more to Hyper-V with PowerShell than from any tool. Just learn the commands and move on. They are so easy.
That allows you to manage the hypervisor.. what about getting console access to the VMs?
Hyper-V Manager gives you console access to the VMs.
Is that a PowerShell tool? How do you get the console via PowerShell?
I'm kind of heading the cloud way without a cloud. My prod templates anymore don't have console logins. I mean you can look at the console but no users can log in through it. Only SSH from Tower with a 4096 bit key.
Right, this is what I was thinking is a good fix. But it requires building that template somewhere initially.
That's why I specified prod. Dev still has console access. So if I need it I can use it. Then just move that to prod.
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@stacksofplates said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@stacksofplates said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
I don't understand what the issue is here. Install and configure a Hyper-V Host... then connect to it via Hyper-V Manager, FCM, or PowerShell. None of the Windows GUI tools do anything that you cannot do with PowerShell. In fact it's the other way around. You can do way more to Hyper-V with PowerShell than from any tool. Just learn the commands and move on. They are so easy.
That allows you to manage the hypervisor.. what about getting console access to the VMs?
Hyper-V Manager gives you console access to the VMs.
Is that a PowerShell tool? How do you get the console via PowerShell?
I'm kind of heading the cloud way without a cloud. My prod templates anymore don't have console logins. I mean you can look at the console but no users can log in through it. Only SSH from Tower with a 4096 bit key.
Right, this is what I was thinking is a good fix. But it requires building that template somewhere initially.
That's why I specified prod. Dev still has console access. So if I need it I can use it. Then just move that to prod.
Ah, I see.
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Obviously jsut having a Hyper-V desktop can do this too for SMBs. That might just be the right answer.
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@JaredBusch said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
ok comany is closing. after dinner will put notes here!
it is just winrm, trusthosts and same user/password/workgroup setup. then you can fly!
This is the answer for non domain joined systems.
But most people have no need for this in the SMB as a MS AD deployment is almost always already in place.
@Dashrender opened this thread with a poor hypothetical scenario.
It is something that can apply to an ITSP or consultant, but it is completely not something that will apply to the vast majority of deployments.
They asked for non ad joined management...
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@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@JaredBusch said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
ok comany is closing. after dinner will put notes here!
it is just winrm, trusthosts and same user/password/workgroup setup. then you can fly!
This is the answer for non domain joined systems.
But most people have no need for this in the SMB as a MS AD deployment is almost always already in place.
@Dashrender opened this thread with a poor hypothetical scenario.
It is something that can apply to an ITSP or consultant, but it is completely not something that will apply to the vast majority of deployments.
They asked for non ad joined management...
Even so, Jared is right.
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@wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@JaredBusch said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
ok comany is closing. after dinner will put notes here!
it is just winrm, trusthosts and same user/password/workgroup setup. then you can fly!
This is the answer for non domain joined systems.
But most people have no need for this in the SMB as a MS AD deployment is almost always already in place.
@Dashrender opened this thread with a poor hypothetical scenario.
It is something that can apply to an ITSP or consultant, but it is completely not something that will apply to the vast majority of deployments.
They asked for non ad joined management...
Even so, Jared is right.
There ARE cases where you need or want to avoid AD joining. But I think that I agree, normally AD joining will be best and probably should happen here.
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@DustinB3403 That is what I do, there is no need to join to the domain. If you are on the Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 computer you can browse the \servername\c$ share enter your username and password and then you can manage Hyperv without any prompts too.
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@scottalanmiller 5nine has changed recently on this and no more free version...
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There is also this, https://corefig.codeplex.com/
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@JaredBusch said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
ok comany is closing. after dinner will put notes here!
it is just winrm, trusthosts and same user/password/workgroup setup. then you can fly!
This is the answer for non domain joined systems.
But most people have no need for this in the SMB as a MS AD deployment is almost always already in place.
@Dashrender opened this thread with a poor hypothetical scenario.
It is something that can apply to an ITSP or consultant, but it is completely not something that will apply to the vast majority of deployments.
They asked for non ad joined management...
Even so, Jared is right.
There ARE cases where you need or want to avoid AD joining. But I think that I agree, normally AD joining will be best and probably should happen here.
Don't know. I miss ad for my company management. But honestly I see hypervisors as a building block like vlans and so. Something before services like the AD. Don't know if I would join the hv to the ad. Word this differently: it was xen would you put it under domain via samba in dom0?
