Is ZeroTier failing
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@Breffni-Potter said in Is ZeroTier failing:
Do enough people care for Chocolatey?
Is this another "Why won't you support Windows phone" thing.
The thing about chocolately is that each package is maintained by a different person/group. This means if you setup a package for something, and you decide you no longer care about updating it, it just gets abandoned.
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In their case, there's something that the Chocolatey automated package thingy kicks back the ZT packages for some reason. It seems like Adam has posted about this in one of the other threads.
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But I repeat
Are there enough chocolatey users to invest time into this?
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@Breffni-Potter said in Is ZeroTier failing:
Do enough people care for Chocolatey?
Depends on your definition of enough. 100% of Windows users should care about it. Do they? No. So not enough by that standard.
Microsoft themselves have embraced it. Though.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Is ZeroTier failing:
But I repeat
Are there enough chocolatey users to invest time into this?
Yes
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JB and I both use it.
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And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
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@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
ZT announced a new community thing nine hours ago.
Where?
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@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
ZT announced a new community thing nine hours ago.
Where?
They announced on the Twitter feed which is doing a few posts per day. It's available in a new tab on the my.zerotier.com site.
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@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
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@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
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@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
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@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Putty or Bitvise spring to mind. Both of those are applicaitons that provide SSH.
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@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Putty or Bitvise spring to mind. Both of those are applicaitons that provide SSH.
Those have nothing to do with MS though, they are third party solutions. And sure, we use Chocolately to deploy them.. but Scott said that MS is pushing for the use of Chocolately to deploy SSH - so I guess I would like to read their pushing of that use, and what is the actual use for? i.e. what application?
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@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Putty or Bitvise spring to mind. Both of those are applicaitons that provide SSH.
Those have nothing to do with MS though, they are third party solutions. And sure, we use Chocolately to deploy them.. but Scott said that MS is pushing for the use of Chocolately to deploy SSH - so I guess I would like to read their pushing of that use, and what is the actual use for? i.e. what application?
My point was SSH does not require the Linux subsystem.
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@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Putty or Bitvise spring to mind. Both of those are applicaitons that provide SSH.
Those have nothing to do with MS though, they are third party solutions. And sure, we use Chocolately to deploy them.. but Scott said that MS is pushing for the use of Chocolately to deploy SSH - so I guess I would like to read their pushing of that use, and what is the actual use for? i.e. what application?
My point was SSH does not require the Linux subsystem.
My question is - what is MS pushing the use of Chocolately for? Scott said it was for SSH - but how, or more correctly - for what application to be installed?
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@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Where have you been? We've been talking about this a lot for a while. It's just a service on Windows, provided by MS. Microsoft made a fairly big deal about this. It's the OpenSSH system from OpenBSD, same one you know and love on every major Linux distro. Microsoft themselves ported the OpenSSH system to Windows (so it's a first class, primary vendor supported system) and its official packaging is NuGet and its official distribution primary channel is Chocolatey. There are other ways to get it, like direct from GitHub, but Chocolatey is the team's recommended way.
It's just a Windows "role" that you get through Chocolatey instead of the role manager. 100% Microsoft and no relationship to any subsystems.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Where have you been? We've been talking about this a lot for a while. It's just a service on Windows, provided by MS. Microsoft made a fairly big deal about this. It's the OpenSSH system from OpenBSD, same one you know and love on every major Linux distro. Microsoft themselves ported the OpenSSH system to Windows (so it's a first class, primary vendor supported system) and its official packaging is NuGet and its official distribution primary channel is Chocolatey. There are other ways to get it, like direct from GitHub, but Chocolatey is the team's recommended way.
It's just a Windows "role" that you get through Chocolatey instead of the role manager. 100% Microsoft and no relationship to any subsystems.
This must be what Scott is talking about.
