Stop Talking About Keeping Eggs in a Basket
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In regards to getting two baskets home vs one... Wouldn't the smart thing be to give one basket to another family member to carry while you keep one as well?
That way there's two baskets, a dozen eggs, and the likelihood of both of you tripping on the same tree root are slim.
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@dafyre said in Stop Talking About Keeping Eggs in a Basket:
In regards to getting two baskets home vs one... Wouldn't the smart thing be to give one basket to another family member to carry while you keep one as well?
That way there's two baskets, a dozen eggs, and the likelihood of both of you tripping on the same tree root are slim.
That's true, if you have the people available and if you have eggs. Remember, though, IT doesn't have eggs under normal conditions.
Think about your email server or your main database... it's a single egg. There is no way to split it up under normal conditions.
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Identifying what an egg would be in the conversation is critical. When talking IT in this way, your "eggs" are your workloads individually. Your email, sharepoint, active directory, SQL Server, web server, etc. are not all "eggs" in the basket. Each is a separate conversation. If we want to talk about a basket, then one is the egg, another is cheese, another is ham... they are not redundant with each other like eggs are. A dozen eggs is redundant because they are all equally eggs and all do the same task. Losing one egg reduces your food capacity by 1/12th. But losing your email server doesn't reduce your email capacity by 1/12th, it drops it by 100%.
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@scottalanmiller said in Stop Talking About Keeping Eggs in a Basket:
Identifying what an egg would be in the conversation is critical. When talking IT in this way, your "eggs" are your workloads individually. Your email, sharepoint, active directory, SQL Server, web server, etc. are not all "eggs" in the basket. Each is a separate conversation. If we want to talk about a basket, then one is the egg, another is cheese, another is ham... they are not redundant with each other like eggs are. A dozen eggs is redundant because they are all equally eggs and all do the same task. Losing one egg reduces your food capacity by 1/12th. But losing your email server doesn't reduce your email capacity by 1/12th, it drops it by 100%.
True. But if you treat the Virtualization hosts as the baskets, that is a more likely paradigm.
You can keep lots of stuff in the baskets... eggs, cheese, ham, alfalfa sprouts (eww!)... If you fall and crush the basket, the basket is ruined, but you might could transfer the ham and cheese and alfalfa sprouts to another basket and restore your other contents from backups (chickens, perhaps?).
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@dafyre said in Stop Talking About Keeping Eggs in a Basket:
@scottalanmiller said in Stop Talking About Keeping Eggs in a Basket:
Identifying what an egg would be in the conversation is critical. When talking IT in this way, your "eggs" are your workloads individually. Your email, sharepoint, active directory, SQL Server, web server, etc. are not all "eggs" in the basket. Each is a separate conversation. If we want to talk about a basket, then one is the egg, another is cheese, another is ham... they are not redundant with each other like eggs are. A dozen eggs is redundant because they are all equally eggs and all do the same task. Losing one egg reduces your food capacity by 1/12th. But losing your email server doesn't reduce your email capacity by 1/12th, it drops it by 100%.
True. But if you treat the Virtualization hosts as the baskets, that is a more likely paradigm.
You can keep lots of stuff in the baskets... eggs, cheese, ham, alfalfa sprouts (eww!)... If you fall and crush the basket, the basket is ruined, but you might could transfer the ham and cheese and alfalfa sprouts to another basket and restore your other contents from backups (chickens, perhaps?).
You're mixing up the egg carton, and the eggs.
The hypervisor is the carton. It holds each individual egg. As discussed in numerous topics, sometimes you need hypervisor capabilities to transport your egg(s) from one another. Meaning you might have 2 or more egg cartons (hypervisors).
Other times you need application capable HA, meaning your egg either needs to be able to replicate to a remote egg carton (with a waiting cloned egg) or to rapidly move/clone to another carton.
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@dafyre said in Stop Talking About Keeping Eggs in a Basket:
@scottalanmiller said in Stop Talking About Keeping Eggs in a Basket:
Identifying what an egg would be in the conversation is critical. When talking IT in this way, your "eggs" are your workloads individually. Your email, sharepoint, active directory, SQL Server, web server, etc. are not all "eggs" in the basket. Each is a separate conversation. If we want to talk about a basket, then one is the egg, another is cheese, another is ham... they are not redundant with each other like eggs are. A dozen eggs is redundant because they are all equally eggs and all do the same task. Losing one egg reduces your food capacity by 1/12th. But losing your email server doesn't reduce your email capacity by 1/12th, it drops it by 100%.
True. But if you treat the Virtualization hosts as the baskets, that is a more likely paradigm.
No, it doesn't change anything. Not one thing. That's key. That impression that your platform is a basket and therefore everything in it must be an egg is where the logic is missing. yes, you have one basket, but you also only have one egg.
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@dafyre said in Stop Talking About Keeping Eggs in a Basket:
You can keep lots of stuff in the baskets... eggs, cheese, ham, alfalfa sprouts (eww!)... If you fall and crush the basket, the basket is ruined, but you might could transfer the ham and cheese and alfalfa sprouts to another basket and restore your other contents from backups (chickens, perhaps?).
Right....
Goal: Make a complete sandwich
Tools: One basket
Ingredients: eggs, cheese, toast, baconIf you lose any ingredient, your sandwich fails. Now, do you want one basket or five.
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@scottalanmiller said in Stop Talking About Keeping Eggs in a Basket:
@dafyre said in Stop Talking About Keeping Eggs in a Basket:
You can keep lots of stuff in the baskets... eggs, cheese, ham, alfalfa sprouts (eww!)... If you fall and crush the basket, the basket is ruined, but you might could transfer the ham and cheese and alfalfa sprouts to another basket and restore your other contents from backups (chickens, perhaps?).
Right....
Goal: Make a complete sandwich
Tools: One basket
Ingredients: eggs, cheese, toast, baconIf you lose any ingredient, your sandwich fails. Now, do you want one basket or five.
Well, everything is stored in one fridge.
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@Grey said in Stop Talking About Keeping Eggs in a Basket:
@scottalanmiller said in Stop Talking About Keeping Eggs in a Basket:
@dafyre said in Stop Talking About Keeping Eggs in a Basket:
You can keep lots of stuff in the baskets... eggs, cheese, ham, alfalfa sprouts (eww!)... If you fall and crush the basket, the basket is ruined, but you might could transfer the ham and cheese and alfalfa sprouts to another basket and restore your other contents from backups (chickens, perhaps?).
Right....
Goal: Make a complete sandwich
Tools: One basket
Ingredients: eggs, cheese, toast, baconIf you lose any ingredient, your sandwich fails. Now, do you want one basket or five.
Well, everything is stored in one fridge.
Except when transported in a basket...
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This whole topic is now starting to sound like "A house is a house for me" lol.
