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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
It's a terrible design
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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
It's a terrible design
No argument there. I think most squad based games are pretty terrible by design. But I'm not the type of person they are trying to attract.
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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
It's a terrible design
No argument there. I think most squad based games are pretty terrible by design. But I'm not the type of person they are trying to attract.
After playing the open beta I really wonder who they are actually trying to attract. No one I know personally liked it. 99% of the forums were complaint posts, not that it wasn't going to be anyway but still.
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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
It's a terrible design
No argument there. I think most squad based games are pretty terrible by design. But I'm not the type of person they are trying to attract.
After playing the open beta I really wonder who they are actually trying to attract. No one I know personally liked it. 99% of the forums were complaint posts, not that it wasn't going to be anyway but still.
yeah, far from what anyone wanted...but a step back in the right direction...
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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
It's a terrible design
No argument there. I think most squad based games are pretty terrible by design. But I'm not the type of person they are trying to attract.
After playing the open beta I really wonder who they are actually trying to attract. No one I know personally liked it. 99% of the forums were complaint posts, not that it wasn't going to be anyway but still.
yeah, far from what anyone wanted...but a step back in the right direction...
I don't know man. I love the 40k universe and the only positive thing I can say about it is the scale of the battles feels very 40k. One of the main factors of me disliking DOW 2 (there were many) was everything felt like a small skirmish instead of a giant war. It didn't feel 40k at all.
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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
It's a terrible design
No argument there. I think most squad based games are pretty terrible by design. But I'm not the type of person they are trying to attract.
After playing the open beta I really wonder who they are actually trying to attract. No one I know personally liked it. 99% of the forums were complaint posts, not that it wasn't going to be anyway but still.
yeah, far from what anyone wanted...but a step back in the right direction...
I don't know man. I love the 40k universe and the only positive thing I can say about it is the scale of the battles feels very 40k. One of the main factors of me disliking DOW 2 (there were many) was everything felt like a small skirmish instead of a giant war. It didn't feel 40k at all.
That's what was great about the original. The Imperial Guard expansion felt like you were part of this massive war.
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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
It's a terrible design
No argument there. I think most squad based games are pretty terrible by design. But I'm not the type of person they are trying to attract.
After playing the open beta I really wonder who they are actually trying to attract. No one I know personally liked it. 99% of the forums were complaint posts, not that it wasn't going to be anyway but still.
yeah, far from what anyone wanted...but a step back in the right direction...
I don't know man. I love the 40k universe and the only positive thing I can say about it is the scale of the battles feels very 40k. One of the main factors of me disliking DOW 2 (there were many) was everything felt like a small skirmish instead of a giant war. It didn't feel 40k at all.
That's what was great about the original. The Imperial Guard expansion felt like you were part of this massive war.
Completely agree
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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
It's a terrible design
No argument there. I think most squad based games are pretty terrible by design. But I'm not the type of person they are trying to attract.
After playing the open beta I really wonder who they are actually trying to attract. No one I know personally liked it. 99% of the forums were complaint posts, not that it wasn't going to be anyway but still.
yeah, far from what anyone wanted...but a step back in the right direction...
I don't know man. I love the 40k universe and the only positive thing I can say about it is the scale of the battles feels very 40k. One of the main factors of me disliking DOW 2 (there were many) was everything felt like a small skirmish instead of a giant war. It didn't feel 40k at all.
That's what was great about the original. The Imperial Guard expansion felt like you were part of this massive war.
Completely agree
Yeah that's what I meant - it's moving back to what made DoW so great, and away from the shitty excuse that was DoW II
Which expansion was it that had the different planets you could take over to get different bonuses etc?
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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
It's a terrible design
No argument there. I think most squad based games are pretty terrible by design. But I'm not the type of person they are trying to attract.
After playing the open beta I really wonder who they are actually trying to attract. No one I know personally liked it. 99% of the forums were complaint posts, not that it wasn't going to be anyway but still.
yeah, far from what anyone wanted...but a step back in the right direction...
I don't know man. I love the 40k universe and the only positive thing I can say about it is the scale of the battles feels very 40k. One of the main factors of me disliking DOW 2 (there were many) was everything felt like a small skirmish instead of a giant war. It didn't feel 40k at all.
That's what was great about the original. The Imperial Guard expansion felt like you were part of this massive war.
Completely agree
Yeah that's what I meant - it's moving back to what made DoW so great, and away from the shitty excuse that was DoW II
Which expansion was it that had the different planets you could take over to get different bonuses etc?
To be fair I really enjoyed the PvE survival expansion the DoW II had. It just wasn't enough to carry the entire game.
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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
It's a terrible design
No argument there. I think most squad based games are pretty terrible by design. But I'm not the type of person they are trying to attract.
After playing the open beta I really wonder who they are actually trying to attract. No one I know personally liked it. 99% of the forums were complaint posts, not that it wasn't going to be anyway but still.
yeah, far from what anyone wanted...but a step back in the right direction...
I don't know man. I love the 40k universe and the only positive thing I can say about it is the scale of the battles feels very 40k. One of the main factors of me disliking DOW 2 (there were many) was everything felt like a small skirmish instead of a giant war. It didn't feel 40k at all.
That's what was great about the original. The Imperial Guard expansion felt like you were part of this massive war.
Completely agree
Yeah that's what I meant - it's moving back to what made DoW so great, and away from the shitty excuse that was DoW II
Which expansion was it that had the different planets you could take over to get different bonuses etc?
To be fair I really enjoyed the PvE survival expansion the DoW II had. It just wasn't enough to carry the entire game.
Single player was actually great, but I'm not a single player kind of guy. I just happened to do co-op with a friend
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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
It's a terrible design
No argument there. I think most squad based games are pretty terrible by design. But I'm not the type of person they are trying to attract.
After playing the open beta I really wonder who they are actually trying to attract. No one I know personally liked it. 99% of the forums were complaint posts, not that it wasn't going to be anyway but still.
yeah, far from what anyone wanted...but a step back in the right direction...
I don't know man. I love the 40k universe and the only positive thing I can say about it is the scale of the battles feels very 40k. One of the main factors of me disliking DOW 2 (there were many) was everything felt like a small skirmish instead of a giant war. It didn't feel 40k at all.
That's what was great about the original. The Imperial Guard expansion felt like you were part of this massive war.
Completely agree
Yeah that's what I meant - it's moving back to what made DoW so great, and away from the shitty excuse that was DoW II
Which expansion was it that had the different planets you could take over to get different bonuses etc?
To be fair I really enjoyed the PvE survival expansion the DoW II had. It just wasn't enough to carry the entire game.
Single player was actually great, but I'm not a single player kind of guy. I just happened to do co-op with a friend
The Last Stand mode was the expansion I was referring to. It was fun and challenging.
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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
It's a terrible design
No argument there. I think most squad based games are pretty terrible by design. But I'm not the type of person they are trying to attract.
After playing the open beta I really wonder who they are actually trying to attract. No one I know personally liked it. 99% of the forums were complaint posts, not that it wasn't going to be anyway but still.
yeah, far from what anyone wanted...but a step back in the right direction...
I don't know man. I love the 40k universe and the only positive thing I can say about it is the scale of the battles feels very 40k. One of the main factors of me disliking DOW 2 (there were many) was everything felt like a small skirmish instead of a giant war. It didn't feel 40k at all.
That's what was great about the original. The Imperial Guard expansion felt like you were part of this massive war.
Completely agree
Yeah that's what I meant - it's moving back to what made DoW so great, and away from the shitty excuse that was DoW II
Which expansion was it that had the different planets you could take over to get different bonuses etc?
To be fair I really enjoyed the PvE survival expansion the DoW II had. It just wasn't enough to carry the entire game.
Single player was actually great, but I'm not a single player kind of guy. I just happened to do co-op with a friend
The Last Stand mode was the expansion I was referring to. It was fun and challenging.
My friend Seth was obsessed with that game mode. It was fun
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Played some of the Dawn Of War Beta this weekend - really like the game, going back to its roots (yet to play the campaign) but the Orks were so overpowered it ruined it a tad...
Does it go back to traditional RTS roots? Or is it the silly squad based system that was in DoW2?
The squad based stuff is still there but there is no retreat so the likelihood of you losing a squad is high. Everything feels weak except elites.
What??? It wasn't squad-based? It was RTS...
He means you dont lose a single unit and its dead. He doesn't like reinforcing squads. It's def squad based.
But DoW I was the same as that...DoW II was squad based in that it was turn based rounds, like XCOM...
RTS = Real Time Strategy, which means free-play surely?
@coliver - which do you mean?
DoW II was real-time squad based combat. You had a small number of units that were designed/supposed to level up as you moved through the game. Similar to XCOM but not turn based.
It was also extremely rock paper scissors
By design. Unless you were extremely tactical minded (like Company of Heroes) you could get wrecked by bringing the wrong assortment or squad members. Which is nice for multiplayer but shitty for singleplayer and campaign. Especially since you wanted to hear all the Space Marines' stories.
It makes it extremely boring in multiplayer. You built devastators? Oh, I'm going to retreat and lose very little units then build assault marines because they counter devastators. Etc. Retreat ruined the game. The only thing that really happened was you put your opponent at a disadvantage and he retreated his forces just to come back right after. This was especially true in 1v1 where the maps could be extremely small.
Yep... again this was completely by design.
It's a terrible design
No argument there. I think most squad based games are pretty terrible by design. But I'm not the type of person they are trying to attract.
After playing the open beta I really wonder who they are actually trying to attract. No one I know personally liked it. 99% of the forums were complaint posts, not that it wasn't going to be anyway but still.
yeah, far from what anyone wanted...but a step back in the right direction...
I don't know man. I love the 40k universe and the only positive thing I can say about it is the scale of the battles feels very 40k. One of the main factors of me disliking DOW 2 (there were many) was everything felt like a small skirmish instead of a giant war. It didn't feel 40k at all.
That's what was great about the original. The Imperial Guard expansion felt like you were part of this massive war.
Completely agree
Yeah that's what I meant - it's moving back to what made DoW so great, and away from the shitty excuse that was DoW II
Which expansion was it that had the different planets you could take over to get different bonuses etc?
To be fair I really enjoyed the PvE survival expansion the DoW II had. It just wasn't enough to carry the entire game.
I don't think I even got that far...bought the base and retribution, played 30 mins and was so disheartened the disks went into the drawer and have stayed there since :') Didn't even get round to installing retribution!
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Ran across the Long War mod for Xcom. This thing is brutally hard, but has some interesting changes/additions. I'm only about 5 missions in, and I've already had an entire team (of noobs) wiped out, lost one country from the coalition, and I'm not out of money.
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I really need to get into XCOM. I have it but haven't really been able to play it.
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I really need to get into XCOM. I have it but haven't really been able to play it.
I'm on the first one and I really like it.
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I've heard mixed things about the second. I'll probably get it on a steam sale at some point. The first is very good if you like turn-based, tactical, third person combat mechanics.
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@scottalanmiller always been meaning to get into XCOM. I hear it's an extremely solid game series. Then again, I feel I just end up loading up good old mount and blade or LoL.
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@scottalanmiller always been meaning to get into XCOM. I hear it's an extremely solid game series. Then again, I feel I just end up loading up good old mount and blade or LoL.
It's really good. And the FBI Declassified looks like a really neat extra component of the story telling, too.
