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      scottalanmiller @Danp
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      @Danp said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

      The First Horseman of the Privacy Apocalypse Has Already Arrived: Verizon Announces Plans to Install Spyware on All Its Android Phones

      https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/first-horseman-privacy-apocalypse-has-already-arrived-verizon-announces-plans

      They've already pulled the article.

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        JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

        @Danp said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

        The First Horseman of the Privacy Apocalypse Has Already Arrived: Verizon Announces Plans to Install Spyware on All Its Android Phones

        https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/first-horseman-privacy-apocalypse-has-already-arrived-verizon-announces-plans

        They've already pulled the article.

        eh, the fact remains that appflash exists even if limited in opt-in testing on a single model phone.

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          momurda @JaredBusch
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          verizon did this to see what the backlash would be. Expect this to be mandatory on all their phones within a year or two.

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            scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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            @JaredBusch said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

            @scottalanmiller said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

            @Danp said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

            The First Horseman of the Privacy Apocalypse Has Already Arrived: Verizon Announces Plans to Install Spyware on All Its Android Phones

            https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/first-horseman-privacy-apocalypse-has-already-arrived-verizon-announces-plans

            They've already pulled the article.

            eh, the fact remains that appflash exists even if limited in opt-in testing on a single model phone.

            Agreed. The seeds are sown.

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              scottalanmiller @momurda
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              @momurda said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

              verizon did this to see what the backlash would be. Expect this to be mandatory on all their phones within a year or two.

              Oh absolutely, clearly the intent is there.

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                coliver @momurda
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                @momurda said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                verizon did this to see what the backlash would be. Expect this to be mandatory on all their phones within a year or two.

                They will either hide it completely or rebrand it to not be AppFlash. The other thing is... how many consumers will actually care or take the time to understand what it is?

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                  scottalanmiller @coliver
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                  @coliver said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                  @momurda said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                  verizon did this to see what the backlash would be. Expect this to be mandatory on all their phones within a year or two.

                  They will either hide it completely or rebrand it to not be AppFlash. The other thing is... how many consumers will actually care or take the time to understand what it is?

                  Well... who cares about the people who don't care about themselves? That's not my concern, that's for sure.

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                    NerdyDad
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                    Sprint already remotely installs apps on their Android phones. Had one install right in front of my eyes. I could uninstall it, but it would be back. Can't disable it either, which sucks.

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                      dafyre @NerdyDad
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                      @NerdyDad said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                      Sprint already remotely installs apps on their Android phones. Had one install right in front of my eyes. I could uninstall it, but it would be back. Can't disable it either, which sucks.

                      ... Is that even legal? Wow.

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                        travisdh1 @dafyre
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                        @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                        @NerdyDad said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                        Sprint already remotely installs apps on their Android phones. Had one install right in front of my eyes. I could uninstall it, but it would be back. Can't disable it either, which sucks.

                        ... Is that even legal? Wow.

                        It's not like you own the phone, read those contracts!

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                          dafyre @travisdh1
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                          @travisdh1 said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                          @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                          @NerdyDad said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                          Sprint already remotely installs apps on their Android phones. Had one install right in front of my eyes. I could uninstall it, but it would be back. Can't disable it either, which sucks.

                          ... Is that even legal? Wow.

                          It's not like you own the phone, read those contracts!

                          What do you mean read the contracts? Does anybody actually read them before signing their soul away for 2 years?

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                            travisdh1 @dafyre
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                            @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                            @travisdh1 said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                            @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                            @NerdyDad said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                            Sprint already remotely installs apps on their Android phones. Had one install right in front of my eyes. I could uninstall it, but it would be back. Can't disable it either, which sucks.

                            ... Is that even legal? Wow.

                            It's not like you own the phone, read those contracts!

                            What do you mean read the contracts? Does anybody actually read them before signing their soul away for 2 years?

                            I did before signing up with Sprint all those years ago. I proudly sport my tinfoil hat for reasons, ever if you all think I'm nuts 😉

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                              scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                              @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                              @travisdh1 said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                              @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                              @NerdyDad said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                              Sprint already remotely installs apps on their Android phones. Had one install right in front of my eyes. I could uninstall it, but it would be back. Can't disable it either, which sucks.

                              ... Is that even legal? Wow.

                              It's not like you own the phone, read those contracts!

                              What do you mean read the contracts? Does anybody actually read them before signing their soul away for 2 years?

                              We T-Mobile users laugh at your plebeians and your contracts and compromised phones.

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                                dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                @travisdh1 said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                @NerdyDad said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                Sprint already remotely installs apps on their Android phones. Had one install right in front of my eyes. I could uninstall it, but it would be back. Can't disable it either, which sucks.

                                ... Is that even legal? Wow.

                                It's not like you own the phone, read those contracts!

                                What do you mean read the contracts? Does anybody actually read them before signing their soul away for 2 years?

                                We T-Mobile users laugh at your plebeians and your contracts and compromised phones.

                                If Verizon starts installing stuff on my phone I'll root it faster than you can say Supercalifragilisticexpialodocious. (It takes me longer to root my phone right now, cause I just upgraded to a Pixel XL after my Note 4 fell off my holster and became a brick).

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                                  travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                  @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                  @travisdh1 said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                  @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                  @NerdyDad said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                  Sprint already remotely installs apps on their Android phones. Had one install right in front of my eyes. I could uninstall it, but it would be back. Can't disable it either, which sucks.

                                  ... Is that even legal? Wow.

                                  It's not like you own the phone, read those contracts!

                                  What do you mean read the contracts? Does anybody actually read them before signing their soul away for 2 years?

                                  We T-Mobile users laugh at your plebeians and your contracts and compromised phones.

                                  That's why I switched to Ting. T-Mobile makes a lot more sense when you're traipsing around the world.

                                  Also... shameless plug time...
                                  You get $25 credit to service or a new phone (you can bring your own phone) by using someone's referral code https://z6q0sjd201.ting.com/

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                                    WLS-ITGuy
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                                    As long as this thread is here (unless of course I need to create a new thread), we are using ZeroTier for SDN, I'd assume that we would still need a VPN and if so, what would you guys recommend?

                                    We have a few tinfoil hat people here who don't do anything on their computer but teach. Although, I'd imagine searching for things related to teaching happens quite a bit.

                                    TIA ~ Jeff

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                                      JaredBusch @travisdh1
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                                      @travisdh1 said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                      @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                      @travisdh1 said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                      @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                      @NerdyDad said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                      Sprint already remotely installs apps on their Android phones. Had one install right in front of my eyes. I could uninstall it, but it would be back. Can't disable it either, which sucks.

                                      ... Is that even legal? Wow.

                                      It's not like you own the phone, read those contracts!

                                      What do you mean read the contracts? Does anybody actually read them before signing their soul away for 2 years?

                                      We T-Mobile users laugh at your plebeians and your contracts and compromised phones.

                                      That's why I switched to Ting. T-Mobile makes a lot more sense when you're traipsing around the world.

                                      Also... shameless plug time...
                                      You get $25 credit to service or a new phone (you can bring your own phone) by using someone's referral code https://z6q0sjd201.ting.com/

                                      Every single one of you that think these no name MVNO companies will actually provide quality service is crazy. I guess you use Magic Jack at home too?

                                      These MVNO companies only exist because the government mandates that the companies that actually build the networks have to resell the service to them.

                                      Learn a little https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_virtual_network_operator

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                                        scottalanmiller @WLS-ITGuy
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                                        @WLS-ITGuy said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                        As long as this thread is here (unless of course I need to create a new thread), we are using ZeroTier for SDN, I'd assume that we would still need a VPN and if so, what would you guys recommend?

                                        We have a few tinfoil hat people here who don't do anything on their computer but teach. Although, I'd imagine searching for things related to teaching happens quite a bit.

                                        TIA ~ Jeff

                                        Well ZT is a VPN, but a VPN alone is not enough. You don't need "another" VPN, but you need something that handles what they want and ZT might not do it alone, but certainly can with the right configuration.

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                                          travisdh1 @JaredBusch
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                                          @JaredBusch said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                          @travisdh1 said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                          @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                          @travisdh1 said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                          @dafyre said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                          @NerdyDad said in ISPs can sell your browsing history without your consent, Senate rules:

                                          Sprint already remotely installs apps on their Android phones. Had one install right in front of my eyes. I could uninstall it, but it would be back. Can't disable it either, which sucks.

                                          ... Is that even legal? Wow.

                                          It's not like you own the phone, read those contracts!

                                          What do you mean read the contracts? Does anybody actually read them before signing their soul away for 2 years?

                                          We T-Mobile users laugh at your plebeians and your contracts and compromised phones.

                                          That's why I switched to Ting. T-Mobile makes a lot more sense when you're traipsing around the world.

                                          Also... shameless plug time...
                                          You get $25 credit to service or a new phone (you can bring your own phone) by using someone's referral code https://z6q0sjd201.ting.com/

                                          Every single one of you that think these no name MVNO companies will actually provide quality service is crazy. I guess you use Magic Jack at home too?

                                          These MVNO companies only exist because the government mandates that the companies that actually build the networks have to resell the service to them.

                                          Learn a little https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_virtual_network_operator

                                          Yes, I know this, and realize it could be the sliding slope that DSL has become. It's a risk I'm willing to take for a $30/month bill.

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                                          • PenguinWranglerP
                                            PenguinWrangler
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                                            Quiet honestly it looks like there is a market for an ISP that will promise not to sell your data.

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