What Are You Doing Right Now
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What's even more odd though it that he did ask the question - does IT have the responsibility... that does seem like an auto answer of, of course it does, as long as the company has tasked them with tracking the data.
Right. This is why to me it sounds like laziness and I don't see any empathy displayed for the abuser.
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Empathy I would expect in him asking if he should voluntarily produce comparative logs to show what average looked like to show that the abuser was within normal ranges. His response is not one of wanting to help the abuser, just one of not wanting to be bothered.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What's even more odd though it that he did ask the question - does IT have the responsibility... that does seem like an auto answer of, of course it does, as long as the company has tasked them with tracking the data.
Right. This is why to me it sounds like laziness and I don't see any empathy displayed for the abuser.
If you look at a single post in a vacuum, sure, I suppose you can jump to this conclusion.
But following the thread (reading it now) I see this post.
lahimakonem wrote:Josh_Cunning wrote:
I think what your getting at comes back to trust/faith in your company. If you start questioning decisions like this you have a lot bigger problems. If the employee was a friend then I would feel a little conflicted. I would hope that my friend had enough common sense to see it coming.
The employee is not a friend but its someone ive worked with for a while and gotten to know them as a co-worker. I know im supposed to "just do it", but im also human and its not easy to see someone go down ...
This gives the impression that this question comes from empathy.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What's even more odd though it that he did ask the question - does IT have the responsibility... that does seem like an auto answer of, of course it does, as long as the company has tasked them with tracking the data.
Right. This is why to me it sounds like laziness and I don't see any empathy displayed for the abuser.
If you look at a single post in a vacuum, sure, I suppose you can jump to this conclusion.
But following the thread (reading it now) I see this post.
lahimakonem wrote:Josh_Cunning wrote:
I think what your getting at comes back to trust/faith in your company. If you start questioning decisions like this you have a lot bigger problems. If the employee was a friend then I would feel a little conflicted. I would hope that my friend had enough common sense to see it coming.
The employee is not a friend but its someone ive worked with for a while and gotten to know them as a co-worker. I know im supposed to "just do it", but im also human and its not easy to see someone go down ...
This gives the impression that this question comes from empathy.
Ah, I see. That does add another facet. That was not in his question that I was responding to.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Empathy I would expect in him asking if he should voluntarily produce comparative logs to show what average looked like to show that the abuser was within normal ranges. His response is not one of wanting to help the abuser, just one of not wanting to be bothered.
This doesn't surprise me that you'd offer this solution. But this also, to me, implies a greater closeness to the person in question, because you are offering to do more work in defense of your associate.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
This gives the impression that this question comes from empathy.
I don't read it quite the same even still. If it was empathy, it would be equally applied to everyone whether he knew them or not. This is about a friend and sounds like he's happily throw a stranger under the bus but is wondering if he should treat his own friends differently than employees that have not gained favour with IT.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Empathy I would expect in him asking if he should voluntarily produce comparative logs to show what average looked like to show that the abuser was within normal ranges. His response is not one of wanting to help the abuser, just one of not wanting to be bothered.
This doesn't surprise me that you'd offer this solution. But this also, to me, implies a greater closeness to the person in question, because you are offering to do more work in defense of your associate.
It's implied in the empathy. Unless you are pointing out that laziness is the driving factor
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Empathy I would expect in him asking if he should voluntarily produce comparative logs to show what average looked like to show that the abuser was within normal ranges. His response is not one of wanting to help the abuser, just one of not wanting to be bothered.
This doesn't surprise me that you'd offer this solution. But this also, to me, implies a greater closeness to the person in question, because you are offering to do more work in defense of your associate.
It's implied in the empathy. Unless you are pointing out that laziness is the driving factor
I don't think you can assume your personal desire to jump in and offer solutions, and someone not doing so as laziness, but, in knowing you now, I know that you really do see those as the same thing, but I'd be willing to bet that the masses don't feel that way.
Of course, if general people were as methodical as you are, then they would agree with you, but the reality is that most just aren't. As you've stated in the past, you and your dad are rare cats, the way you look at things is unusual, definitely offering great value to businesses, but what I'd calling falling outside of the typical human equation.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I don't think you can assume your personal desire to jump in and offer solutions, and someone not doing so as laziness, but, in knowing you now, I know that you really do see those as the same thing, but I'd be willing to bet that the masses don't feel that way.
So what you've said is that he has empathy that is only expressed as laziness, but that laziness isn't then the cause? I think you just proved my original point. Empathy might play a role, but laziness is the real driver - because the only thing he's using his empathy for, then, is to justify the laziness.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Of course, if general people were as methodical as you are, then they would agree with you, but the reality is that most just aren't.
What might cause that.... hmmmm... not willing to put in the effort.... let's see is that empath, no that's not right, is it... oh yeah, laziness.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
As you've stated in the past, you and your dad are rare cats, the way you look at things is unusual, definitely offering great value to businesses, but what I'd calling falling outside of the typical human equation.
This is where I think we find the root of the issue. Am I a rare cat because I'm smarter, or less lazy. I can tell you, it's not from being smarter. You see this as me being methodical, I see it as being less lazy.
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It's convenient to say that the person in question isn't methodical, it sounds good. It sounds acceptable. It's socially acceptable to justify his actions that way. But if he was unable of being that methodical he's not very useful as a human being and the statement that you are making is actually quite horrific. What you are actually stating, without wanting to say it, is that he just isn't taking the time or effort to be methodical and examine the situation. Less effort put into that we are giving it, in fact.
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If the end result was anything other than "getting out of doing my job", I would have a very different opinion of the likely causes and drivers of the question. If a person falls and gets hurt in the street in front of your car, do you...
- Drive over them
- Stop and wait for them to heal
- Stop, get out and help them
If you have empathy, you assume you will get out and help, within reason and legality. It you are lazy, you'll just stop and wait. When you have empathy with someone it implies that you feel their pain - that would not be expected to result in you risking your job to not help them. That's neither logical nor an expected emotional response.
And if the reason that they didn't think through the fact that they were being lazy is because they were being lazy... it seems to circle around to the same thing no matter how we dice it.
I'm not saying that they have zero empathy, only that it doesn't come through as the main driver of their actions.
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There's at least a fourth option, drive around them.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
There's at least a fourth option, drive around them.
That, too, would be quite lazy - assuming that there was any empathy.
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Dude, that guy fell and got hurt right in front of us. I feel so badly, I really feel for how badly he is hurting and something worse could happen to him.
Want me to stop so we can help?
Heck no, I'm not getting out of the car to help someone!
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Dude, that guy fell and got hurt right in front of us. I feel so badly, I really feel for how badly he is hurting and something worse could happen to him.
Want me to stop so we can help?
Heck no, just slow down so I can live stream the wreck to Facebook Live
FTFY.
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Just realized I scheduled a family vacation during MangoCon... that's unfortunate.
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Just realized I scheduled a family vacation during MangoCon... that's unfortunate.
Perfect time to get a vacation from your vacation!
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Just realized I scheduled a family vacation during MangoCon... that's unfortunate.
