Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@FATeknollogee said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
Who came up with this rule?
It's one of the most fundamental rules of system design. It's been a rule for centuries. It's just turned into a rule of thumb with Windows because it is an anti-pattern.
Installing the OS adds overhead and risk without benefit. It's complication only for the sake of complication. When two things are equal, simplicity is better than complexity. But in this case, they are not equal. The OS install method brings huge caveats, licensing probably being the biggest.
You'll keep saying the installing the the full version of Server 2012/2016 brings about huge licensing issues ... how ? doesn't 2012/2016 allow 2VSOE, and 1 OS ?
Yes, that's all that it allows. It means that you have to track that license, for forever. It means limiting future options. It means someone thinking that they can install something to the Dom0 will be piracy. It is HUGE complexity that people regularly don't understand. By doing it, you take something super simple that no one needs to think about and turning it into something that everyone that touches the system needs to understand.
And what if that hardware starts to fail and people want to move their licenses to another box, suddenly the old box has no hypervisor - for no reason.
It's a foolish move that sets the company up for failure down the road.
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@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
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@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
okay ... let's say, I install Hyper-V 2016... how do I manage, using a GUI, from a remote non-domain Windows 8.1 machine, via VPN ? I installed RSAT, but, some features worked, some did'nt.. same with Hyper-V Manager .. Most of the functions kept giving me Access Denied..even after I used "runas"
You probably need to be on a non-domain joined machine. If your machine is joined to your domain, you won't be able to runas a user on the domain of the client.
You can run a Virtual machine on your computer, VPN from that into the client's network, that virtual machine can be a member of the client's domain, that should solve your issues.
As Scott said, you'll need Windows 10 to manage 2016 correctly.
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@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
What kind of VPN do you have?
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@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
What kind of VPN do you have?
SSL VPN
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
What kind of VPN do you have?
SSL VPN
To what? A firewall, some server sitting inside the firewall?
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
What kind of VPN do you have?
SSL VPN
aww.. SSL VPN - that might be your problem. I know that RPD can work over SSL VPN, but RSAT might not.
SSL VPN does not support a lot of traffic types. There's a good chance the required ports aren't being routed correctly over your SSL VPN.
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@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
What kind of VPN do you have?
SSL VPN
aww.. SSL VPN - that might be your problem. I know that RPD can work over SSL VPN, but RSAT might not.
SSL VPN does not support a lot of traffic types. There's a good chance the required ports aren't being routed correctly over your SSL VPN.
VPN is VPN. There cannot be such a concept as "this thing won't work over that kind of VPN." If the running application can detect the VPN at all, it's not a VPN.
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
No it is the wrong damned version. You have been told more than one time that you have to use Windows 10, and not Windows 8 or 8.1.
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@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@JaredBusch said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
I get that you are new to setting this up, and it is great that you reached out for advice. But you should not be learning, in production, on a client system FFS.
It's his boss that should be in trouble, or whoever decided to have him learn in that position.
I said that.
Might even be the client demanding it... same client that thinks that they themselves should be in charge of IT and makes some pretty basic day one mistakes like getting mismatched drives and buying gear before knowing the needed specs.
Unlikely, a client paying a MSP or consulting firm to implment should be getting the advice from that firm. I have seen it otherwise, yes. But I fire those clients or do not take the contracts. Not going to lose money ourselves by working with them.
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@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
What kind of VPN do you have?
SSL VPN
aww.. SSL VPN - that might be your problem. I know that RPD can work over SSL VPN, but RSAT might not.
SSL VPN does not support a lot of traffic types. There's a good chance the required ports aren't being routed correctly over your SSL VPN.
@scottalanmiller answered already, but in my own terms, WTF you smokin'?
A VPN is a VPN. Or it is some not VPN trying to fake it like a cheap hooker.
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@JaredBusch said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
What kind of VPN do you have?
SSL VPN
aww.. SSL VPN - that might be your problem. I know that RPD can work over SSL VPN, but RSAT might not.
SSL VPN does not support a lot of traffic types. There's a good chance the required ports aren't being routed correctly over your SSL VPN.
@scottalanmiller answered already, but in my own terms, WTF you smokin'?
A VPN is a VPN. Or it is some not VPN trying to fake it like a cheap hooker.
You seem to be speaking from experience ..
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@JaredBusch said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
What kind of VPN do you have?
SSL VPN
aww.. SSL VPN - that might be your problem. I know that RPD can work over SSL VPN, but RSAT might not.
SSL VPN does not support a lot of traffic types. There's a good chance the required ports aren't being routed correctly over your SSL VPN.
@scottalanmiller answered already, but in my own terms, WTF you smokin'?
A VPN is a VPN. Or it is some not VPN trying to fake it like a cheap hooker.
You seem to be speaking from experience ..
He has VPN'd before
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hello,
I managed to convince the seniors and client, and they've agreed upon the following : -
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list item To switch to RAID10, at the cost of the losing 1TB from the 2x3TB HDDs.since RAID10 always creates an array size, based on the smallest HDD(s)
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Use Windows 2016, through-out - for the HostOS as well as the guest VMs
However, they insisted that I start-off with the Desktop Experience(with just Hyper-V role enabled), setup everything, and then, once everything is working smoothly, down-grade to Server Core .... Their logic is that, it is better this way since I'm a newbie, and that Server Core is supported by MS, whereas Hyper-V server is not ..
Anyway, I carved-out a 64GB (C:)partition from the 3.6TB of usable space, and installed the Host OS, and enabled the Hyper-V role.
Now, does it make sense to further divy-up the HDD, for each VM, and the data ? Or should I just created another partition (D:), and allocate it the rest of the HDD space, then create all the VHDXs and VMs on this partition ?
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
whereas Hyper-V server is not ..
WHAT? what does who meant that it's not supported? Of course it is, if you pay for support, just like server core and normal server are. The biggest question might be is if the hardware is on the HCL, but even that is actually rarely a real worry.
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
Now, does it make sense to further divy-up the HDD, for each VM, and the data ? Or should I just created another partition (D:), and allocate it the rest of the HDD space, then create all the VHDXs and VMs on this partition ?
No, make the single largest partition you can. Put all VMs' in there.
It's even debatable if you needed to create the 64 separate partition for the OS, but I see both sides, so you like, fine go with it.
