Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
On Windows 8x, we use RSAT to manage Windows 2012 Server. Can the same RSAT be used to managed 2016 Server, or Hyper-V 2016 ?
Only Windows 10 can manage 2016. RDP should never be used. You've discovered yet another problem in the environment. Why is IT's equipment not current or even close to current?
Also, don't call it Windows 8.x. Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 are totally different versions, the same as Windows 7 and Windows 10. Don't lump them together as if they are more related than they are to Vista, 7 or 10.
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
My main reason for installing the full server, is non-familiarity with Powershell, and lack of proper freely available GUI tools, to manage remotely ....
There is no lack of freely available GUI tools for remote management. Windows comes loaded with these tools built in, even using nothing but a properly set up Windows environment provides everything that you need. But if you want even more than they offer, 5Nine offers a free version of their product that you could use, too. You have more than enough options to make sure that you never consider installing a GUI onto the server itself.
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@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
The client's desire to not purchase the correct drives is one of @scottalanmiller's famous sunk cost fallacies.
Kind of, although what they have sounds like it will work fine. What's of great concern here is:
- How could such basic, foolish business decisions have gotten made? They bought the wrong server. Then they tried to bandaid that and bought the wrong drives. How are they arriving at these decisions and how are they looking into correcting this? These are mistakes that take literally zero IT knowledge to identify and fix. So this means that the problems are core business problems and should be very scary.
- How does a "company" find the amount of money involved here even worth discussing? This is so little money that you should not be able to justify even five minutes of discussing it, even with a staff of just two people. Sounds like they are not making any money and have no plans to make any. They have fallen below the home line, that's where you should be worried.
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okay ... let's say, I install Hyper-V 2016... how do I manage, using a GUI, from a remote non-domain Windows 8.1 machine, via VPN ? I installed RSAT, but, some features worked, some did'nt.. same with Hyper-V Manager .. Most of the functions kept giving me Access Denied..even after I used "runas"
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
- list item We've decided to go-ahead with Windows 2016. Infact, I'm even free to use Hyper-V Server 2016. However, I'm not at all comfortable with working without a GUI.. I don't want to be in situation where I have to Google Powershell commands for even mundane things like creating VHDX files ... Plus, Remote GUI tools such as Hyper-V manager and RSAT (On Windows 8x), are cumbersome to setup, especially when the remote machine is a non-domain machine..
Some PowerShell is simply a requirement of Hyper-V, the decision to need PowerShell was made when someone chose Hyper-V. If you wanted pure GUI they would have bought you a Scale HC3 appliance or similar. Whoever is making these decisions above you made this decision, that you need PowerShell, at least a little, is simple part and parcel with their decisions here.
You really should get comfortable at working without a GUI, if you were anywhere except on Windows it's not even allowed to be called "knowing a system" if you still require a GUI. On Windows, there is a common social acceptance of a lower level of knowledge that allows people to skim by using only a GUI, but if you talk to Linux admins, for example, they often won't accept it if you say that you "know Windows" if you still require a GUI. Learning PowerShell is one of the core skills of being a Windows Admin, when you have a moment, start spending time on it. I mostly only use PowerShell when working on Windows and I'm not a Windows Admin.
In what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
Why is the remote machine not on the domain? Or, more importantly, why is Hyper-V on the domain? Hyper-V should not be on the domain in this case.
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
Any suggestions on how to make remote management easier/smoother ? 5nine Free ?
Windows 10 should make it so easy that there is nothing more to discuss. But 5Nine Free would definitely be worth checking out.
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@FATeknollogee said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
Who came up with this rule?
It's one of the most fundamental rules of system design. It's been a rule for centuries. It's just turned into a rule of thumb with Windows because it is an anti-pattern.
Installing the OS adds overhead and risk without benefit. It's complication only for the sake of complication. When two things are equal, simplicity is better than complexity. But in this case, they are not equal. The OS install method brings huge caveats, licensing probably being the biggest.
You'll keep saying the installing the the full version of Server 2012/2016 brings about huge licensing issues ... how ? doesn't 2012/2016 allow 2VSOE, and 1 OS ?
Yes, that's all that it allows. It means that you have to track that license, for forever. It means limiting future options. It means someone thinking that they can install something to the Dom0 will be piracy. It is HUGE complexity that people regularly don't understand. By doing it, you take something super simple that no one needs to think about and turning it into something that everyone that touches the system needs to understand.
And what if that hardware starts to fail and people want to move their licenses to another box, suddenly the old box has no hypervisor - for no reason.
It's a foolish move that sets the company up for failure down the road.
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@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
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@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
okay ... let's say, I install Hyper-V 2016... how do I manage, using a GUI, from a remote non-domain Windows 8.1 machine, via VPN ? I installed RSAT, but, some features worked, some did'nt.. same with Hyper-V Manager .. Most of the functions kept giving me Access Denied..even after I used "runas"
You probably need to be on a non-domain joined machine. If your machine is joined to your domain, you won't be able to runas a user on the domain of the client.
You can run a Virtual machine on your computer, VPN from that into the client's network, that virtual machine can be a member of the client's domain, that should solve your issues.
As Scott said, you'll need Windows 10 to manage 2016 correctly.
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@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
What kind of VPN do you have?
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@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
What kind of VPN do you have?
SSL VPN
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
What kind of VPN do you have?
SSL VPN
To what? A firewall, some server sitting inside the firewall?
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
What kind of VPN do you have?
SSL VPN
aww.. SSL VPN - that might be your problem. I know that RPD can work over SSL VPN, but RSAT might not.
SSL VPN does not support a lot of traffic types. There's a good chance the required ports aren't being routed correctly over your SSL VPN.
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@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@Dashrender said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
Possible. Are you using a VPN? Is there Active Directory?
- Make sure AD is not tied to Hyper-V, Hyper-V in this setup should not use AD at all. It needs to be totally independent.
- Use a local Windows 10 machine at the customer site and RDP to that, don't use a VPN to customer sites (for loads of reasons, but simplicity is the one here.)
No AD as yet... I RDP to the server, via VPN
What kind of VPN do you have?
SSL VPN
aww.. SSL VPN - that might be your problem. I know that RPD can work over SSL VPN, but RSAT might not.
SSL VPN does not support a lot of traffic types. There's a good chance the required ports aren't being routed correctly over your SSL VPN.
VPN is VPN. There cannot be such a concept as "this thing won't work over that kind of VPN." If the running application can detect the VPN at all, it's not a VPN.
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@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@dr.funkenstein said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
what way are you finding the RSAT tools cumbersome? I find them incredible easy. Where are you running into complications? Also, you need to be on Windows 10, obviously. Again, whoever chose Windows as your environment made most of these decisions for you.
I keep getting an access denied, even though, I use RSAT with proper credentials belonging to the remote server..
But you are using the wrong version, right? So that's not unexpected.
Seems more like an access issue, rather than a version issue
No it is the wrong damned version. You have been told more than one time that you have to use Windows 10, and not Windows 8 or 8.1.
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@scottalanmiller said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
@JaredBusch said in Storage Provisioning For a Single Hyper-V Server Setup:
I get that you are new to setting this up, and it is great that you reached out for advice. But you should not be learning, in production, on a client system FFS.
It's his boss that should be in trouble, or whoever decided to have him learn in that position.
I said that.
Might even be the client demanding it... same client that thinks that they themselves should be in charge of IT and makes some pretty basic day one mistakes like getting mismatched drives and buying gear before knowing the needed specs.
Unlikely, a client paying a MSP or consulting firm to implment should be getting the advice from that firm. I have seen it otherwise, yes. But I fire those clients or do not take the contracts. Not going to lose money ourselves by working with them.
