Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink
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Epson Eco-Tank models.
They have a few other niggling issues, I mean, they are still Epson printers after all. But expensive ink isn't one.
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@travisdh1 said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Epson Eco-Tank models.
They have a few other niggling issues, I mean, they are still Epson printers after all. But expensive ink isn't one.
Yea,.. I've pointed a person or two at them for that reason...
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We can make open source farming equipment, why not open source printers?
Oh yeah... because printing is a dying market (pun intended.)
But seriously, the printer market should be open source, dirt cheap and all but gone at this point. Not that there won't always be a need to print, but it should not be a major industry.
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@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
We can make open source farming equipment, why not open source printers?
Oh yeah... because printing is a dying market (pun intended.)
But seriously, the printer market should be open source, dirt cheap and all but gone at this point. Not that there won't always be a need to print, but it should not be a major industry.
Print is a dying market I agree. But if you look at the History of Paper and Digital means, Paper has been around and survived more than digital has.
Paper goes back a very long time. Requires no power to maintain and can be recycled hundreds of times.
Although - digital is easier to carry.. 'maintain' and reproduce.
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@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Print is a dying market I agree. But if you look at the History of Paper and Digital means, Paper has been around and survived more than digital has.
That makes no sense. If you look at the history of paper and digital, digital has grown continuously since inception and paper and shrunk continuously since the introduction of digital. History teaches us that paper is losing without exception. And that digital is winning.
Paper has been around, but only has a history of surviving when there is no competition. Now it has competition and all evidence shows is losing more and more.
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@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Paper goes back a very long time. Requires no power to maintain and can be recycled hundreds of times.
That it goes back a long time is not a factor. That's a red herring. Old doesn't indicate anything here.
It does require power to maintain as it needs careful climate control. It uses tons of power to produce and must be carefully protected. It's non-archival.
Digital can be recycled far, far more. My Kindle can show billions of pages on a single screen. Paper gets like 1.8 tops.
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@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Print is a dying market I agree. But if you look at the History of Paper and Digital means, Paper has been around and survived more than digital has.
That makes no sense. If you look at the history of paper and digital, digital has grown continuously since inception and paper and shrunk continuously since the introduction of digital. History teaches us that paper is losing without exception. And that digital is winning.
Paper has been around, but only has a history of surviving when there is no competition. Now it has competition and all evidence shows is losing more and more.
I was implying that Paper has been around since 105 A.D. And digital has been around (since the early) 1900's.
Paper and Digital have short comings they other doesn't.. Paper can survive an EMP, neither like water or fire but can be made to do so.
Digital is just a load of Ones and Zeros.. If you look at truly raw digital you don't see much,.. but if you look at raw paper,.. it can be artistic.
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@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Paper goes back a very long time. Requires no power to maintain and can be recycled hundreds of times.
That it goes back a long time is not a factor. That's a red herring. Old doesn't indicate anything here.
It does require power to maintain as it needs careful climate control. It uses tons of power to produce and must be carefully protected. It's non-archival.
Digital can be recycled far, far more. My Kindle can show billions of pages on a single screen. Paper gets like 1.8 tops.
Yea,.. we could go back and forth on this for a while.. so ... lets leave it. Both have their merit. While paper is falling out, it still has it's place.
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@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
I was implying that Paper has been around since 105 A.D. And digital has been around (since the early) 1900's.
Yes and that tells us... nothing really.
That logic would tell us that cars and airplanes are in danger of going away "because they are new."
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@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Paper and Digital have short comings they other doesn't.. Paper can survive an EMP, neither like water or fire but can be made to do so.
Digital can too, just depends on the type of storage.
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@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Digital is just a load of Ones and Zeros.. If you look at truly raw digital you don't see much,.. but if you look at raw paper,.. it can be artistic.
But... that's not useful or indicative.
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@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Yea,.. we could go back and forth on this for a while.. so ... lets leave it. Both have their merit. While paper is falling out, it still has it's place.
Does it really, though? Bad for the environment, high in cost, more and more expensive to produce with less and less benefit.
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@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Yea,.. we could go back and forth on this for a while.. so ... lets leave it. Both have their merit. While paper is falling out, it still has it's place.
Does it really, though? Bad for the environment, high in cost, more and more expensive to produce with less and less benefit.
There is cost to both, and cuastic chemical as well.
They use bleach and such to brighten paper, but what do they use to etch the PC boards for computers, batteries with lead, and other heavy metals.
Like I said,... we could go back and forth on this for quite a while..
And yes,.. Paper (different form) still has it's place. unless you want to use the Three Sea Shells
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@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
And yes,.. Paper (different form) still has it's place. unless you want to use the Three Sea Shells
That's your alternative, rather than the bidet with water?
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@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
And yes,.. Paper (different form) still has it's place. unless you want to use the Three Sea Shells
That's your alternative, rather than the bidet with water?
A bidet with carefully calibrated lukewarm water and not that ice cold (or blistering hot) crap I usually wind up with.
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@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
And yes,.. Paper (different form) still has it's place. unless you want to use the Three Sea Shells
That's your alternative, rather than the bidet with water?
A bidet with carefully calibrated lukewarm water and not that ice cold (or blistering hot) crap I usually wind up with.
How does that happen? I can't remember having a bidet be cold . You just, you know, put the handle in the correct position.
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@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
And yes,.. Paper (different form) still has it's place. unless you want to use the Three Sea Shells
That's your alternative, rather than the bidet with water?
A bidet with carefully calibrated lukewarm water and not that ice cold (or blistering hot) crap I usually wind up with.
How does that happen? I can't remember having a bidet be cold . You just, you know, put the handle in the correct position.
Guess it depends on location.
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@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@gjacobse said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
And yes,.. Paper (different form) still has it's place. unless you want to use the Three Sea Shells
That's your alternative, rather than the bidet with water?
A bidet with carefully calibrated lukewarm water and not that ice cold (or blistering hot) crap I usually wind up with.
How does that happen? I can't remember having a bidet be cold . You just, you know, put the handle in the correct position.
Guess it depends on location.
Another topic that has ended up in the 'crapper'.. I guess I started it thought.
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Printing may go away as a thing at some point in the future, but it won't happen fast. We're still in a system whose principles require hard copy as a backup of a great many things... but that is shrinking. Either way, while I believe that HP has the right to protect their proprietary interests, that's going to bite them in the butt.
