Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
I'm open to installing Linux on the bare metal and putting Windows 10 into a VirtualBox VM. That's not out of the question. But it seems that the Hyper-V approach as a lot of potential. Especially as I'd love the box to function for Steam when I'm not busy working on it.
Honest answer... Run Windows as Primary, and put Linux in a VirtualBox VM. You get SOME 3D acceleration that way. Games may or may not work.
Getting the NVIDIA drivers working under Linux is a REAL pain... Especially if you have one with the NVIDIA Optimus setup... (Intel driver runs standard apps... if the laptop makes a graphics call, it will activate the NVIDIA card).
I've not had good luck at all as of late getting my games to work while running Steam under Linux.
I'm looking to game under Windows, not under Linux. But Linux desktops needs hardware acceleration, too. I use the Gnome 3 based Cinnamon desktop and it is rendering heavy.
For that, I would definitely do Windows 10 as primary, and drop Linux into a VM.... Seems like it may be time to practice what I preach too, lol.
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@coliver I am under the impression that Scott wanted to install Hyper-V to the hardware, and be able to go back and forth between the Console sessions within hyper-V to access the individual machines.
Not to install Windows 10, activate Hyper-V and then create the VM's.
Nothing like carrying around a type 1 hypervisor... lol
Hyper-V is always type 1 to the bare metal. But if you install from within Windows 10 it provides the "local console" of Windows 10 as if you were sitting at a normal windows 10 machine so that you get a totally transparent experience on that side. It's designed to be handy for desktop users.
How else can I explain it... lol
You install Hyper-V 2012 direct to the hardware, and create VM's inside of it. As if you bought server 2012 r2 and enabled the Hyper-V role is what I was envisioning you doing.
You'd have your hyper-v console, and just have both VM's sitting there ready to access with a double click.
Meaning you wouldn't have a Windows 10 desktop when you login, but the Hyper-V environment.
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@coliver I am under the impression that Scott wanted to install Hyper-V to the hardware, and be able to go back and forth between the Console sessions within hyper-V to access the individual machines.
Not to install Windows 10, activate Hyper-V and then create the VM's.
Nothing like carrying around a type 1 hypervisor... lol
Hyper-V is always type 1 to the bare metal. But if you install from within Windows 10 it provides the "local console" of Windows 10 as if you were sitting at a normal windows 10 machine so that you get a totally transparent experience on that side. It's designed to be handy for desktop users.
How else can I explain it... lol
You install Hyper-V 2012 direct to the hardware, and create VM's inside of it. As if you bought server 2012 r2 and enabled the Hyper-V role is what I was envisioning you doing.
You'd have your hyper-v console, and just have both VM's sitting there ready to access with a double click.
Meaning you wouldn't have a Windows 10 desktop when you login, but the Hyper-V environment.
That's not how what you describe works. If you install Windows 10 and enable the Hyper-V role, you boot into the Windows 10 console as if it was the only thing. Hyper-V makes the Dom0 appear to be the local install.
Remember there is no Hyper-V console itself. Hyper-V has no interface.
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IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
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@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
afaik it's the only thing I haven't done
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
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How long is the boot going to take if you did dual boot?
I assume you'll have an SSD in this laptop.
Also what laptop did /are you buying?
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@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
Don't want RemoteFX, I still just want the local console. But yeah, I fear that there will be no GPU support for the secondary VMs (not Dom0).
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
How long is the boot going to take if you did dual boot?
I assume you'll have an SSD in this laptop.
Also what laptop did /are you buying?
Yes, SSD and HD. 128GB on the SSD and another 1TB on the HD. It's an ASUS ROG.
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
Don't want RemoteFX, I still just want the local console. But yeah, I fear that there will be no GPU support for the secondary VMs (not Dom0).
VirtualBox will likely be your better choice here, then.
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Hyper-V supports dedicated GPU's to the VM's though..
Why go with a type 2 for it....
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@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
Don't want RemoteFX, I still just want the local console. But yeah, I fear that there will be no GPU support for the secondary VMs (not Dom0).
VirtualBox will likely be your better choice here, then.
Ugh, I've done that but I don't like it. I'd probably rather dual boot and just suck it up. I was planning to dual boot all along, but was just hoping for a better option. Since I'm 100% Linux now, it's not that big of a deal. I've not used Windows in eight months, so I'll just continue to not have it.
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
Hyper-V supports dedicated GPU's to the VM's though..
Why go with a type 2 for it....
Does it? That's really what I'm asking in this thread. Do the secondary VMs really get access to all of that GPU power?
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
Don't want RemoteFX, I still just want the local console. But yeah, I fear that there will be no GPU support for the secondary VMs (not Dom0).
VirtualBox will likely be your better choice here, then.
Ugh, I've done that but I don't like it. I'd probably rather dual boot and just suck it up. I was planning to dual boot all along, but was just hoping for a better option. Since I'm 100% Linux now, it's not that big of a deal. I've not used Windows in eight months, so I'll just continue to not have it.
You are using other devices to play games, right?
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
Hyper-V supports dedicated GPU's to the VM's though..
Why go with a type 2 for it....
Because in order to activate the GPU stuff, you have to be able to add RemoteFX to the VM... RemoteFX only works if you are connecting via RDP... and only works with Windows.
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@scottalanmiller I know it's a VM option, I don't know how much of the power is received but it is there.
I just saw it on a thread over there as someone was asking a very similar question.
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@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
Don't want RemoteFX, I still just want the local console. But yeah, I fear that there will be no GPU support for the secondary VMs (not Dom0).
VirtualBox will likely be your better choice here, then.
Ugh, I've done that but I don't like it. I'd probably rather dual boot and just suck it up. I was planning to dual boot all along, but was just hoping for a better option. Since I'm 100% Linux now, it's not that big of a deal. I've not used Windows in eight months, so I'll just continue to not have it.
You are using other devices to play games, right?
yes, but I don't want to not have game options on this one too, especially as it will be slightly more powerful than my current game system (same laptop, but with 2GB less on the GPU.)
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If you really want to get this done in a way that we know works, XenServer. I haven't tried this myself yet, haven't wanted to risk taking the beast at home down for days messing with it, but I have seriously considered installing it to run two gaming instances on a single box. Don't think the R9 290 will handle more than two gaming sessions at once.
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
Don't want RemoteFX, I still just want the local console. But yeah, I fear that there will be no GPU support for the secondary VMs (not Dom0).
VirtualBox will likely be your better choice here, then.
Ugh, I've done that but I don't like it. I'd probably rather dual boot and just suck it up. I was planning to dual boot all along, but was just hoping for a better option. Since I'm 100% Linux now, it's not that big of a deal. I've not used Windows in eight months, so I'll just continue to not have it.
You are using other devices to play games, right?
yes, but I don't want to not have game options on this one too, especially as it will be slightly more powerful than my current game system (same laptop, but with 2GB less on the GPU.)
Your alternative is to use Mate or LXDE or XFCE... Those don't require hardware acceleration but still give you a nice looking UI (I like Mate, lol)... and you don't have to Dual boot...
Otherwise, I'd suggest dual booting if you want to play games.
