Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?
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I've got a new laptop coming in a week or two with a lot more power than my current one (the current HP Folio 13 has been an awesome workhorse since I started travelling with it in early 2012, but 4.5 years for a super light laptop is just too much given the heavy use that I have and the heavy abuse that it has taken - keyboard is failing and the touchpad is flaky now, some piece under it is broken) so I am moving from 4GB to 16GB and a dual core i5 to a quad core i7 and a discrete NVidia GPU 960M with 4GB of its own in the new machine.
I want Linux to be my daily driver but I would prefer not to have to give up Windows 10 100% to do it. I like being able to access both quickly. I've used Hyper-V in other places but never to run Windows 10 and Linux Mint side by side. Does anyone know how well this will work? What kind of performance loss am I likely to experience doing this? Will the Linux VM be able to run full screen and feel like a local install? Will the Linux VM get access to the GPU so that it can do hardware rending for everything?
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I'm open to installing Linux on the bare metal and putting Windows 10 into a VirtualBox VM. That's not out of the question. But it seems that the Hyper-V approach as a lot of potential. Especially as I'd love the box to function for Steam when I'm not busy working on it.
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So you're looking to install Hyper-V on the hardware, and create the individual VM's on the laptop for your work purposes.
I don't see why it wouldn't work, and you should be able to pass the hardware to both VM's as needed. In addition to that you'd just go full screen from within Hyper-V when accessing the VMs.
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
So you're looking to install Hyper-V on the hardware, and create the individual VM's on the laptop for your work purposes.
I don't see why it wouldn't work, and you should be able to pass the hardware to both VM's as needed. In addition to that you'd just go full screen from within Hyper-V when accessing the VMs.
Windows 10 has a Hyper-V role that encapsulates the Windows 10 VM and makes it Dom0. You don't create the Windows 10 VM it just kind of works, for the most part, there is a performance hit but I run Hyper-V on my Windows 10 box at home and haven't really seen any issues with gaming. I do have some issues with AAA titles like Assassins Creed: Black Flag. But that could be that this computer is 6 years old now.
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
I'm open to installing Linux on the bare metal and putting Windows 10 into a VirtualBox VM. That's not out of the question. But it seems that the Hyper-V approach as a lot of potential. Especially as I'd love the box to function for Steam when I'm not busy working on it.
Honest answer... Run Windows as Primary, and put Linux in a VirtualBox VM. You get SOME 3D acceleration that way. Games may or may not work.
Getting the NVIDIA drivers working under Linux is a REAL pain... Especially if you have one with the NVIDIA Optimus setup... (Intel driver runs standard apps... if the laptop makes a graphics call, it will activate the NVIDIA card).
I've not had good luck at all as of late getting my games to work while running Steam under Linux.
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@coliver I am under the impression that Scott wanted to install Hyper-V to the hardware, and be able to go back and forth between the Console sessions within hyper-V to access the individual machines.
Not to install Windows 10, activate Hyper-V and then create the VM's.
Nothing like carrying around a type 1 hypervisor... lol
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@coliver I am under the impression that Scott wanted to install Hyper-V to the hardware, and be able to go back and forth between the Console sessions within hyper-V to access the individual machines.
Not to install Windows 10, activate Hyper-V and then create the VM's.
Nothing like carrying around a type 1 hypervisor... lol
Hyper-V is always type 1 to the bare metal. But if you install from within Windows 10 it provides the "local console" of Windows 10 as if you were sitting at a normal windows 10 machine so that you get a totally transparent experience on that side. It's designed to be handy for desktop users.
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@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
I'm open to installing Linux on the bare metal and putting Windows 10 into a VirtualBox VM. That's not out of the question. But it seems that the Hyper-V approach as a lot of potential. Especially as I'd love the box to function for Steam when I'm not busy working on it.
Honest answer... Run Windows as Primary, and put Linux in a VirtualBox VM. You get SOME 3D acceleration that way. Games may or may not work.
Getting the NVIDIA drivers working under Linux is a REAL pain... Especially if you have one with the NVIDIA Optimus setup... (Intel driver runs standard apps... if the laptop makes a graphics call, it will activate the NVIDIA card).
I've not had good luck at all as of late getting my games to work while running Steam under Linux.
I'm looking to game under Windows, not under Linux. But Linux desktops needs hardware acceleration, too. I use the Gnome 3 based Cinnamon desktop and it is rendering heavy.
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@coliver said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
So you're looking to install Hyper-V on the hardware, and create the individual VM's on the laptop for your work purposes.
I don't see why it wouldn't work, and you should be able to pass the hardware to both VM's as needed. In addition to that you'd just go full screen from within Hyper-V when accessing the VMs.
Windows 10 has a Hyper-V role that encapsulates the Windows 10 VM and makes it Dom0. You don't create the Windows 10 VM it just kind of works, for the most part, there is a performance hit but I run Hyper-V on my Windows 10 box at home and haven't really seen any issues with gaming. I do have some issues with AAA titles like Assassins Creed: Black Flag. But that could be that this computer is 6 years old now.
Yeah, six year old desktop might be the cause of that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@coliver I am under the impression that Scott wanted to install Hyper-V to the hardware, and be able to go back and forth between the Console sessions within hyper-V to access the individual machines.
Not to install Windows 10, activate Hyper-V and then create the VM's.
Nothing like carrying around a type 1 hypervisor... lol
Hyper-V is always type 1 to the bare metal. But if you install from within Windows 10 it provides the "local console" of Windows 10 as if you were sitting at a normal windows 10 machine so that you get a totally transparent experience on that side. It's designed to be handy for desktop users.
How else can I explain it... lol
You install Hyper-V 2012 direct to the hardware, and create VM's inside of it. As if you bought server 2012 r2 and enabled the Hyper-V role is what I was envisioning you doing.
You'd have your hyper-v console, and just have both VM's sitting there ready to access with a double click.
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
I'm open to installing Linux on the bare metal and putting Windows 10 into a VirtualBox VM. That's not out of the question. But it seems that the Hyper-V approach as a lot of potential. Especially as I'd love the box to function for Steam when I'm not busy working on it.
Honest answer... Run Windows as Primary, and put Linux in a VirtualBox VM. You get SOME 3D acceleration that way. Games may or may not work.
Getting the NVIDIA drivers working under Linux is a REAL pain... Especially if you have one with the NVIDIA Optimus setup... (Intel driver runs standard apps... if the laptop makes a graphics call, it will activate the NVIDIA card).
I've not had good luck at all as of late getting my games to work while running Steam under Linux.
I'm looking to game under Windows, not under Linux. But Linux desktops needs hardware acceleration, too. I use the Gnome 3 based Cinnamon desktop and it is rendering heavy.
For that, I would definitely do Windows 10 as primary, and drop Linux into a VM.... Seems like it may be time to practice what I preach too, lol.
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@coliver I am under the impression that Scott wanted to install Hyper-V to the hardware, and be able to go back and forth between the Console sessions within hyper-V to access the individual machines.
Not to install Windows 10, activate Hyper-V and then create the VM's.
Nothing like carrying around a type 1 hypervisor... lol
Hyper-V is always type 1 to the bare metal. But if you install from within Windows 10 it provides the "local console" of Windows 10 as if you were sitting at a normal windows 10 machine so that you get a totally transparent experience on that side. It's designed to be handy for desktop users.
How else can I explain it... lol
You install Hyper-V 2012 direct to the hardware, and create VM's inside of it. As if you bought server 2012 r2 and enabled the Hyper-V role is what I was envisioning you doing.
You'd have your hyper-v console, and just have both VM's sitting there ready to access with a double click.
Meaning you wouldn't have a Windows 10 desktop when you login, but the Hyper-V environment.
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@coliver I am under the impression that Scott wanted to install Hyper-V to the hardware, and be able to go back and forth between the Console sessions within hyper-V to access the individual machines.
Not to install Windows 10, activate Hyper-V and then create the VM's.
Nothing like carrying around a type 1 hypervisor... lol
Hyper-V is always type 1 to the bare metal. But if you install from within Windows 10 it provides the "local console" of Windows 10 as if you were sitting at a normal windows 10 machine so that you get a totally transparent experience on that side. It's designed to be handy for desktop users.
How else can I explain it... lol
You install Hyper-V 2012 direct to the hardware, and create VM's inside of it. As if you bought server 2012 r2 and enabled the Hyper-V role is what I was envisioning you doing.
You'd have your hyper-v console, and just have both VM's sitting there ready to access with a double click.
Meaning you wouldn't have a Windows 10 desktop when you login, but the Hyper-V environment.
That's not how what you describe works. If you install Windows 10 and enable the Hyper-V role, you boot into the Windows 10 console as if it was the only thing. Hyper-V makes the Dom0 appear to be the local install.
Remember there is no Hyper-V console itself. Hyper-V has no interface.
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IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
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@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
afaik it's the only thing I haven't done
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
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How long is the boot going to take if you did dual boot?
I assume you'll have an SSD in this laptop.
Also what laptop did /are you buying?
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@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
Don't want RemoteFX, I still just want the local console. But yeah, I fear that there will be no GPU support for the secondary VMs (not Dom0).
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
How long is the boot going to take if you did dual boot?
I assume you'll have an SSD in this laptop.
Also what laptop did /are you buying?
Yes, SSD and HD. 128GB on the SSD and another 1TB on the HD. It's an ASUS ROG.
