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I'd much rather move overseas to Europe at this point. Would need a place with lots of Dairy and lots of IT though.
Dairy is pretty common in Europe. They drink milk just like Americans do. And they don't import it from Asia or anything weird.
Which is funny... because people I know in the industry, connections again, are telling me we export most of our milk as powdered to the Asian markets. I haven't been able to verify that though.
Well sure, because Asia is short of food production. Europe, however, makes a LOT of food. It's an agricultural boom area.
Guess I'll have to keep an eye open then. Moving is hard as we have lots of family in the area.
I can't leave NJ for the same reason. My fiance is very close with her family.
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I'd much rather move overseas to Europe at this point. Would need a place with lots of Dairy and lots of IT though.
Dairy is pretty common in Europe. They drink milk just like Americans do. And they don't import it from Asia or anything weird.
Which is funny... because people I know in the industry, connections again, are telling me we export most of our milk as powdered to the Asian markets. I haven't been able to verify that though.
Well sure, because Asia is short of food production. Europe, however, makes a LOT of food. It's an agricultural boom area.
Guess I'll have to keep an eye open then. Moving is hard as we have lots of family in the area.
I can't leave NJ for the same reason. My fiance is very close with her family.
Yep, I'm like your fiance. I spent most of my childhood moving from place-to-place. Didn't have a permanent home until middle school. Thankfully that was in my parent's hometown with lots of family close by.
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Travel to and from the US has traditionally been very easy. However that is one of the things that Trump wants to change.
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I'd much rather move overseas to Europe at this point. Would need a place with lots of Dairy and lots of IT though.
Dairy is pretty common in Europe. They drink milk just like Americans do. And they don't import it from Asia or anything weird.
Which is funny... because people I know in the industry, connections again, are telling me we export most of our milk as powdered to the Asian markets. I haven't been able to verify that though.
Well sure, because Asia is short of food production. Europe, however, makes a LOT of food. It's an agricultural boom area.
Guess I'll have to keep an eye open then. Moving is hard as we have lots of family in the area.
I can't leave NJ for the same reason. My fiance is very close with her family.
Yep, I'm like your fiance. I spent most of my childhood moving from place-to-place. Didn't have a permanent home until middle school. Thankfully that was in my parent's hometown with lots of family close by.
Between the demands of my job, studying for my CCIE, managing the servers for two doctors offices (friends of mine) and planning for a wedding I don't understand how our families can have any expectations of seeing us in the near future. You'd think they'd at least be coming to us, but no.
EDIT: The real crazy thing too is it's only her family. My brother lives in LA, my dad who lived locally passed away and my mom lives in England. What would we do if we had to appease two families? How do you guys deal with this stuff? I established boundaries for myself but my fiance just does whatever they want. It's rough.
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For those considering rapid relocation.... Panama and Albania offer Americans (currently, don't be surprised if this goes away) six months and one year of residency and right to work, no questions asked. Canada and the UK offer six months right to live. France, Spain and Kosovo have some of the friendliest paths to citizenship.
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@wirestyle22 said
+1 to no one actually leaving
I'm keeping a list of my FB friends who say they are moving.
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I'd much rather move overseas to Europe at this point. Would need a place with lots of Dairy and lots of IT though.
Dairy is pretty common in Europe. They drink milk just like Americans do. And they don't import it from Asia or anything weird.
Which is funny... because people I know in the industry, connections again, are telling me we export most of our milk as powdered to the Asian markets. I haven't been able to verify that though.
Well sure, because Asia is short of food production. Europe, however, makes a LOT of food. It's an agricultural boom area.
Guess I'll have to keep an eye open then. Moving is hard as we have lots of family in the area.
I can't leave NJ for the same reason. My fiance is very close with her family.
Yep, I'm like your fiance. I spent most of my childhood moving from place-to-place. Didn't have a permanent home until middle school. Thankfully that was in my parent's hometown with lots of family close by.
Between the demands of my job, studying for my CCIE, managing the servers for two doctors offices (friends of mine) and planning for a wedding I don't understand how our families can have any expectations of seeing us in the near future. You'd think they'd at least be coming to us, but no.
EDIT: The real crazy thing too is it's only her family. My brother lives in LA, my dad who lived locally passed away and my mom lives in England. What would we do if we had to appease two families? How do you guys deal with this stuff? I established boundaries for myself but my fiance just does whatever they want. It's rough.
My wife's family is 6 hours away. We see them once every month or so. My parent's, and an uncle, live 8 miles from where we live now. We see them several times a week.
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@wirestyle22 I love pork roll! Moved to Florida from Jersey.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
For those considering rapid relocation.... Panama and Albania offer Americans (currently, don't be surprised if this goes away) six months and one year of residency and right to work, no questions asked. Canada and the UK offer six months right to live. France, Spain and Kosovo have some of the friendliest paths to citizenship.
What's the job market like it those areas? Specifically IT related jobs.
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I'd much rather move overseas to Europe at this point. Would need a place with lots of Dairy and lots of IT though.
Dairy is pretty common in Europe. They drink milk just like Americans do. And they don't import it from Asia or anything weird.
Which is funny... because people I know in the industry, connections again, are telling me we export most of our milk as powdered to the Asian markets. I haven't been able to verify that though.
Well sure, because Asia is short of food production. Europe, however, makes a LOT of food. It's an agricultural boom area.
Guess I'll have to keep an eye open then. Moving is hard as we have lots of family in the area.
I can't leave NJ for the same reason. My fiance is very close with her family.
Yep, I'm like your fiance. I spent most of my childhood moving from place-to-place. Didn't have a permanent home until middle school. Thankfully that was in my parent's hometown with lots of family close by.
Between the demands of my job, studying for my CCIE, managing the servers for two doctors offices (friends of mine) and planning for a wedding I don't understand how our families can have any expectations of seeing us in the near future. You'd think they'd at least be coming to us, but no.
EDIT: The real crazy thing too is it's only her family. My brother lives in LA, my dad who lived locally passed away and my mom lives in England. What would we do if we had to appease two families? How do you guys deal with this stuff? I established boundaries for myself but my fiance just does whatever they want. It's rough.
My wife's family is 6 hours away. We see them once every month or so. My parent's, and an uncle, live 8 miles from where we live now. We see them several times a week.
I guess this question would be more for your wife then as I'm in her position. I'm all for family but I don't think that people in our situation (professionally oriented, responsible, extremely busy people) can reasonably accommodate their "needs". Her Dad's retired. Like dude, drive here.
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@alex.olynyk said in Non-IT News Thread:
@wirestyle22 I love pork roll! Moved to Florida from Jersey.
I'm glad someone understands. @scottalanmiller must have been away for too long.
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I'd much rather move overseas to Europe at this point. Would need a place with lots of Dairy and lots of IT though.
Dairy is pretty common in Europe. They drink milk just like Americans do. And they don't import it from Asia or anything weird.
Which is funny... because people I know in the industry, connections again, are telling me we export most of our milk as powdered to the Asian markets. I haven't been able to verify that though.
Well sure, because Asia is short of food production. Europe, however, makes a LOT of food. It's an agricultural boom area.
Guess I'll have to keep an eye open then. Moving is hard as we have lots of family in the area.
I can't leave NJ for the same reason. My fiance is very close with her family.
Yep, I'm like your fiance. I spent most of my childhood moving from place-to-place. Didn't have a permanent home until middle school. Thankfully that was in my parent's hometown with lots of family close by.
Between the demands of my job, studying for my CCIE, managing the servers for two doctors offices (friends of mine) and planning for a wedding I don't understand how our families can have any expectations of seeing us in the near future. You'd think they'd at least be coming to us, but no.
EDIT: The real crazy thing too is it's only her family. My brother lives in LA, my dad who lived locally passed away and my mom lives in England. What would we do if we had to appease two families? How do you guys deal with this stuff? I established boundaries for myself but my fiance just does whatever they want. It's rough.
My wife's family is 6 hours away. We see them once every month or so. My parent's, and an uncle, live 8 miles from where we live now. We see them several times a week.
I guess this question would be more for your wife then as I'm in her position. I'm all for family but I don't think that people in our situation (professionally oriented, responsible, extremely busy people) can reasonably accommodate their "needs". Her Dad's retired. Like dude, drive here.
We don't really have these issues thankfully. Unless it is an emergency all visits are planned in advance.
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I'd much rather move overseas to Europe at this point. Would need a place with lots of Dairy and lots of IT though.
Dairy is pretty common in Europe. They drink milk just like Americans do. And they don't import it from Asia or anything weird.
Which is funny... because people I know in the industry, connections again, are telling me we export most of our milk as powdered to the Asian markets. I haven't been able to verify that though.
Well sure, because Asia is short of food production. Europe, however, makes a LOT of food. It's an agricultural boom area.
Guess I'll have to keep an eye open then. Moving is hard as we have lots of family in the area.
I can't leave NJ for the same reason. My fiance is very close with her family.
Yep, I'm like your fiance. I spent most of my childhood moving from place-to-place. Didn't have a permanent home until middle school. Thankfully that was in my parent's hometown with lots of family close by.
Between the demands of my job, studying for my CCIE, managing the servers for two doctors offices (friends of mine) and planning for a wedding I don't understand how our families can have any expectations of seeing us in the near future. You'd think they'd at least be coming to us, but no.
EDIT: The real crazy thing too is it's only her family. My brother lives in LA, my dad who lived locally passed away and my mom lives in England. What would we do if we had to appease two families? How do you guys deal with this stuff? I established boundaries for myself but my fiance just does whatever they want. It's rough.
My wife's family is 6 hours away. We see them once every month or so. My parent's, and an uncle, live 8 miles from where we live now. We see them several times a week.
I guess this question would be more for your wife then as I'm in her position. I'm all for family but I don't think that people in our situation (professionally oriented, responsible, extremely busy people) can reasonably accommodate their "needs". Her Dad's retired. Like dude, drive here.
We don't really have these issues thankfully. Unless it is an emergency all visits are planned in advance.
Honest question. Do you think I'm being a dick for asking these sort of questions? Her parents are divorced and her dad alone wants to see us 2-3 times a week. If they were married it'd be different because we'd see everyone at the same time and it'd be done. We have to see her Mom and Dad separately. How can 2-3 days a week be reasonable in this situation? It's crazy to me.
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I'd much rather move overseas to Europe at this point. Would need a place with lots of Dairy and lots of IT though.
Dairy is pretty common in Europe. They drink milk just like Americans do. And they don't import it from Asia or anything weird.
Which is funny... because people I know in the industry, connections again, are telling me we export most of our milk as powdered to the Asian markets. I haven't been able to verify that though.
Well sure, because Asia is short of food production. Europe, however, makes a LOT of food. It's an agricultural boom area.
Guess I'll have to keep an eye open then. Moving is hard as we have lots of family in the area.
I can't leave NJ for the same reason. My fiance is very close with her family.
Yep, I'm like your fiance. I spent most of my childhood moving from place-to-place. Didn't have a permanent home until middle school. Thankfully that was in my parent's hometown with lots of family close by.
Between the demands of my job, studying for my CCIE, managing the servers for two doctors offices (friends of mine) and planning for a wedding I don't understand how our families can have any expectations of seeing us in the near future. You'd think they'd at least be coming to us, but no.
EDIT: The real crazy thing too is it's only her family. My brother lives in LA, my dad who lived locally passed away and my mom lives in England. What would we do if we had to appease two families? How do you guys deal with this stuff? I established boundaries for myself but my fiance just does whatever they want. It's rough.
My wife's family is 6 hours away. We see them once every month or so. My parent's, and an uncle, live 8 miles from where we live now. We see them several times a week.
I guess this question would be more for your wife then as I'm in her position. I'm all for family but I don't think that people in our situation (professionally oriented, responsible, extremely busy people) can reasonably accommodate their "needs". Her Dad's retired. Like dude, drive here.
We don't really have these issues thankfully. Unless it is an emergency all visits are planned in advance.
Honest question. Do you think I'm being a dick for asking these sort of questions? Her parents are divorced and her dad alone wants to see us 2-3 times a week. If they were married it'd be different because we'd see everyone at the same time and it'd be done. We have to see her Mom and Dad separately. How can 2-3 days a week be reasonable in this situation? It's crazy to me.
That I'm not sure. I have never been in that situation. I will say even though my parents are close by there are times when we go weeks without seeing them. It is rare but such is being busy.
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I'd much rather move overseas to Europe at this point. Would need a place with lots of Dairy and lots of IT though.
Dairy is pretty common in Europe. They drink milk just like Americans do. And they don't import it from Asia or anything weird.
Which is funny... because people I know in the industry, connections again, are telling me we export most of our milk as powdered to the Asian markets. I haven't been able to verify that though.
Well sure, because Asia is short of food production. Europe, however, makes a LOT of food. It's an agricultural boom area.
Guess I'll have to keep an eye open then. Moving is hard as we have lots of family in the area.
I can't leave NJ for the same reason. My fiance is very close with her family.
Yep, I'm like your fiance. I spent most of my childhood moving from place-to-place. Didn't have a permanent home until middle school. Thankfully that was in my parent's hometown with lots of family close by.
Between the demands of my job, studying for my CCIE, managing the servers for two doctors offices (friends of mine) and planning for a wedding I don't understand how our families can have any expectations of seeing us in the near future. You'd think they'd at least be coming to us, but no.
EDIT: The real crazy thing too is it's only her family. My brother lives in LA, my dad who lived locally passed away and my mom lives in England. What would we do if we had to appease two families? How do you guys deal with this stuff? I established boundaries for myself but my fiance just does whatever they want. It's rough.
My wife's family is 6 hours away. We see them once every month or so. My parent's, and an uncle, live 8 miles from where we live now. We see them several times a week.
I guess this question would be more for your wife then as I'm in her position. I'm all for family but I don't think that people in our situation (professionally oriented, responsible, extremely busy people) can reasonably accommodate their "needs". Her Dad's retired. Like dude, drive here.
We don't really have these issues thankfully. Unless it is an emergency all visits are planned in advance.
Honest question. Do you think I'm being a dick for asking these sort of questions? Her parents are divorced and her dad alone wants to see us 2-3 times a week. If they were married it'd be different because we'd see everyone at the same time and it'd be done. We have to see her Mom and Dad separately. How can 2-3 days a week be reasonable in this situation? It's crazy to me.
That I'm not sure. I have never been in that situation. I will say even though my parents are close by there are times when we go weeks without seeing them. It is rare but such is being busy.
I think the request is unreasonable. My fiance said its going to change with her new job though. We'll see if that actually happens.
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Honest question. Do you think I'm being a dick for asking these sort of questions? Her parents are divorced and her dad alone wants to see us 2-3 times a week. If they were married it'd be different because we'd see everyone at the same time and it'd be done. We have to see her Mom and Dad separately. How can 2-3 days a week be reasonable in this situation? It's crazy to me.
Just start BEING a dick, perhaps the visits will stop.
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@BRRABill said in Non-IT News Thread:
Honest question. Do you think I'm being a dick for asking these sort of questions? Her parents are divorced and her dad alone wants to see us 2-3 times a week. If they were married it'd be different because we'd see everyone at the same time and it'd be done. We have to see her Mom and Dad separately. How can 2-3 days a week be reasonable in this situation? It's crazy to me.
Just start BEING a dick, perhaps the visits will stop.
My detractors would say to just emulate me and you would nail that.
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@wirestyle22 I love pork roll! Moved to Florida from Jersey.
I'm glad someone understands. @scottalanmiller must have been away for too long.
I was a vegetarian long before living there.
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EDIT: The real crazy thing too is it's only her family. My brother lives in LA, my dad who lived locally passed away and my mom lives in England. What would we do if we had to appease two families? How do you guys deal with this stuff? I established boundaries for myself but my fiance just does whatever they want. It's rough.
There is no easy answer here. We have this too, we have shared family in NY, her family in Texas. We don't really have the issues like a lot of people do, but we could easily with where people are located. I know a lot of people who have one person totally beholden to their family and are controlled remotely by them as to location, jobs, etc. It can be a crippling problem.
You can try a rational conversation.... talk about the three polarities (can three things be polar?), her family, your family and yourselves. You have the needs of her family, the needs of yours and then what is right for the two of you independent of those. Make everyone discuss what the priorities are. Are your family needs as important as hers? Are your individual needs as a couple more important than family obligations?
No simple answer beyond that, but you need to establish a framework for the conversation.
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I know a lot of people who have had their careers crippled or lost because of these kinds of things. Family obligations making them give up opportunties or jobs and putting them on a track for dependency. It can be very bad in the worst cases. Even my cousin has this. He had a career, more or less, but his wife couldn't be away from her parents and he had to give up his career completely and move back home and spend several years living with family members while he tried to establish a job that could pay the rent. They are figuring things out, but at every turn he is limited dramatically by being limited to a tiny local area where there are no job opportunities in any field.
