Windows Phone :(
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@coliver said:
@johnhooks said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Ah, that makes sense. My first smart phone was a Droid X. It had issues with email syncing and random restarts until I put an ASOP rom on it. So I can see where you may get the impression.
No, it doesn't make sense. There's no excuse for the problems that I had. More than thirty five devices and every Android user claimed something different. I had the wrong vendor, wrong version, didn't install the right third party app, etc., etc. ad nauseum. Bottom line Android didn't work and the reaction of the Android defenders has not changed one iota from then till now.
I think a big problem that early Android had was a lack of a real mail app. The only sync option was either polling every so many minutes or IMAP Idle. There was no real push mail system for a long time.
There was some third party email for EAS but it was like $30.
Ughh Touchdown. I remember that. It was awful.
I love Touchdown! keep all the work shit in it's on VM on the device.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Not according to the Android users at the time that claimed it was rock solid and never had issues but could never produce a working example of it for me. They made the same claims that people do today.
I have six Android devices right now, totally unstable, all up to date.
You're talking about your cheap $50 Amazon Fires?
Uggh, I bought a Fire Stick... I can't get the audio and video to sync. I've got to return it and get Roku or something else.
I love my Roku. I have 2 Chromecasts also. I was thinking about maybe a Nexus Player but I need to research some more.
We have two Chromecasts but my wife doesn't like having to get her iPad to watch shows. I also have a Roku stick and while it works the interface is sluggish and I need to hard reset it a few times a week.
The Roku stick is slow. We have a Roku 2 and it's still chugging a long. The new Roku 4 looks nice, but not sure if it's worth $120.
I like the idea of the sticks, small and out of the way. I don't have to have set top box dangling from my wall mounted TVs. The only one I don't have an issue with is the Chromecast... but again you need an external device to cast to it so that doesn't work all the time.
I love the idea... and for travel even moreso. But I hate how they dangle. Other than the space in the luggage, I prefer the small set top boxes. Easier to set up and place. And you can wire them up.
Dangle? Huh I don't have that problem.
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@Dashrender said:
I give you the point that iPhones seem to be more stable - but they are definitely not the never crash, never have problem device either.
Nothing is. But the difference is staggering. I've easily had more issues in a week on Windows Phone and Android than half a decade on iPhone.
To be clear, I've had iPhone have complete mechanical failure and burn itself to toast without any fault of mine (Apple replaced it on the spot for free.) But I've had single days with more Android crashes than I've ever had iPhone crashes.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@johnhooks said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Ah, that makes sense. My first smart phone was a Droid X. It had issues with email syncing and random restarts until I put an ASOP rom on it. So I can see where you may get the impression.
No, it doesn't make sense. There's no excuse for the problems that I had. More than thirty five devices and every Android user claimed something different. I had the wrong vendor, wrong version, didn't install the right third party app, etc., etc. ad nauseum. Bottom line Android didn't work and the reaction of the Android defenders has not changed one iota from then till now.
I think a big problem that early Android had was a lack of a real mail app. The only sync option was either polling every so many minutes or IMAP Idle. There was no real push mail system for a long time.
There was some third party email for EAS but it was like $30.
The email app "worked" fine for a long time. But like phone calls and texts and everything else on Android, it would randomly and silently stop working and never alert you. It would keep reporting that you got no email until you rebooted teh device and found out that people had been looking for you for days.
Text messages were the worse.. people screaming because they thing text messages are infallible.
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@nadnerB said:
@IRJ said:
My Samsung Note Edge got water damage over the weekend so I have been using a Nokia Lumina 521. I understand that it is a cheap Windows Phone so I am not dinging it on performance. The OS itself is what sucks. I am running Windows 8.1 on it.
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The tiles suck. There is a reason people like icons vs. tiles. Microsoft should know better since people are obsessed with desktop icons and icons are the mainstream on Android and iOS. You might think the tiles look pretty, but they suck and just cause you to do more scrolling.
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No apps. I knew this before i even tried the Windows Phone, but I didn't expect the app selection to be so poor. I am lucky to find 10% of my android apps. It makes everything more difficult when it comes to managing VPS servers, various email accounts, cloudflare, and alot of other apps that make administration easy.
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Internet Explorer... No explanation needed. I am sure there are other browsers, but IE is terrible.
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Ineffecient scrolling. When I go through a list of apps, I get a vertical list of A-Z apps. I can scroll through Android and iOS much faster because I may have A-D on the same screen, and if I want to get to R, I only have to quickly scroll 3 or 4 pages. On Windows I have to scroll pretty far down. It only takes an extra second, but that matters in the long term.
IMO Windows Phone is the better hardware at the lower price point.
You cannot get a decent Android phone for <$200AUD but the Lumia 640 LTE is quite the catch at <$180 AUD as it's hardware craps all over anything Android up to $300 AUD.I agree that it runs better on lesser hardware. I said that on one of my posts.
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Android has always been clunky and poorly optimized imho. Apple has it's pitfalls too but they are way more infrequent (based on my personal experience only). This kind of reminds me of my friends opinion of Western Digital hard drives though. He think they are amazing because he has never had any failures. Meanwhile the most recent reports have them at a much higher failure rate than what he claims.
I have a Roku 3 and I have to reset it maybe once every 4-5 months. It has outperformed any similar device that I have tested by leaps and bounds. This includes Fire, Chromecast, Apple TV and a Raspberry Pi 2. I couldn't recommend it more. It's a great device.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores - and there's always side loading of apps.
You can sideload apps on Android, but you have to go into the security settings and enable it first. Non techy users can't just download an APK by mistake and automatically install it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I give you the point that iPhones seem to be more stable - but they are definitely not the never crash, never have problem device either.
Nothing is. But the difference is staggering. I've easily had more issues in a week on Windows Phone and Android than half a decade on iPhone.
To be clear, I've had iPhone have complete mechanical failure and burn itself to toast without any fault of mine (Apple replaced it on the spot for free.) But I've had single days with more Android crashes than I've ever had iPhone crashes.
On a purely anecdotal level I have a significantly higher usage to reboot/crash ratio on my iPhone 6 than my Lumia 640.
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I have had to restart my IPhone 6S+ more than I have any other cell phone. Which is still only when there is an OS update. So not bad at all.
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@coliver said:
@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Not according to the Android users at the time that claimed it was rock solid and never had issues but could never produce a working example of it for me. They made the same claims that people do today.
I have six Android devices right now, totally unstable, all up to date.
You're talking about your cheap $50 Amazon Fires?
Uggh, I bought a Fire Stick... I can't get the audio and video to sync. I've got to return it and get Roku or something else.
I love my Roku. I have 2 Chromecasts also. I was thinking about maybe a Nexus Player but I need to research some more.
We have two Chromecasts but my wife doesn't like having to get her iPad to watch shows. I also have a Roku stick and while it works the interface is sluggish and I need to hard reset it a few times a week.
The Roku stick is slow. We have a Roku 2 and it's still chugging a long. The new Roku 4 looks nice, but not sure if it's worth $120.
I like the idea of the sticks, small and out of the way. I don't have to have set top box dangling from my wall mounted TVs. The only one I don't have an issue with is the Chromecast... but again you need an external device to cast to it so that doesn't work all the time.
I send stuff from my Chromebook a lot so I don't really notice it I guess. You can also cast your whole screen with your Chromebook which is nice.
Yep, and from a normal computer. They also recently added the ability to cast HTML5 video which is really nice. I don't mind it I always have my phone on me... but my wife doesn't and feels like it is just an extra step to watching the shows she wants.
Oh I didn't realize you could cast your screen from a normal PC too. I knew you could cast your Chrome tabs. That's pretty nice.
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@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Not according to the Android users at the time that claimed it was rock solid and never had issues but could never produce a working example of it for me. They made the same claims that people do today.
I have six Android devices right now, totally unstable, all up to date.
You're talking about your cheap $50 Amazon Fires?
Uggh, I bought a Fire Stick... I can't get the audio and video to sync. I've got to return it and get Roku or something else.
I love my Roku. I have 2 Chromecasts also. I was thinking about maybe a Nexus Player but I need to research some more.
We have two Chromecasts but my wife doesn't like having to get her iPad to watch shows. I also have a Roku stick and while it works the interface is sluggish and I need to hard reset it a few times a week.
The Roku stick is slow. We have a Roku 2 and it's still chugging a long. The new Roku 4 looks nice, but not sure if it's worth $120.
I like the idea of the sticks, small and out of the way. I don't have to have set top box dangling from my wall mounted TVs. The only one I don't have an issue with is the Chromecast... but again you need an external device to cast to it so that doesn't work all the time.
I send stuff from my Chromebook a lot so I don't really notice it I guess. You can also cast your whole screen with your Chromebook which is nice.
Yep, and from a normal computer. They also recently added the ability to cast HTML5 video which is really nice. I don't mind it I always have my phone on me... but my wife doesn't and feels like it is just an extra step to watching the shows she wants.
Oh I didn't realize you could cast your screen from a normal PC too. I knew you could cast your Chrome tabs. That's pretty nice.
The really nice one of the HTML5 video. Which is what the majority of websites are running now. So even if it isn't hosted by youtube I can still cast it.
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@wirestyle22 said:
Android has always been clunky and poorly optimized imho. Apple has it's pitfalls too but they are way more infrequent (based on my personal experience only). This kind of reminds me of my friends opinion of Western Digital hard drives though. He think they are amazing because he has never had any failures. Meanwhile the most recent reports have them at a much higher failure rate than what he claims.
I have a Roku 3 and I have to reset it maybe once every 4-5 months. It has outperformed any similar device that I have tested by leaps and bounds. This includes Fire, Chromecast, Apple TV and a Raspberry Pi 2. I couldn't recommend it more. It's a great device.
I think a lot of that is what the manufacturer is stuffing on there. It's like night and day between any other device I've used and my Nexus. I had an S3 and it had issues. The only thing that's really happened with my Nexus 5 is the battery life has lessened some.
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@coliver said:
@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Not according to the Android users at the time that claimed it was rock solid and never had issues but could never produce a working example of it for me. They made the same claims that people do today.
I have six Android devices right now, totally unstable, all up to date.
You're talking about your cheap $50 Amazon Fires?
Uggh, I bought a Fire Stick... I can't get the audio and video to sync. I've got to return it and get Roku or something else.
I love my Roku. I have 2 Chromecasts also. I was thinking about maybe a Nexus Player but I need to research some more.
We have two Chromecasts but my wife doesn't like having to get her iPad to watch shows. I also have a Roku stick and while it works the interface is sluggish and I need to hard reset it a few times a week.
The Roku stick is slow. We have a Roku 2 and it's still chugging a long. The new Roku 4 looks nice, but not sure if it's worth $120.
I like the idea of the sticks, small and out of the way. I don't have to have set top box dangling from my wall mounted TVs. The only one I don't have an issue with is the Chromecast... but again you need an external device to cast to it so that doesn't work all the time.
I send stuff from my Chromebook a lot so I don't really notice it I guess. You can also cast your whole screen with your Chromebook which is nice.
Yep, and from a normal computer. They also recently added the ability to cast HTML5 video which is really nice. I don't mind it I always have my phone on me... but my wife doesn't and feels like it is just an extra step to watching the shows she wants.
Yeah. I'm actually using this with a few of our projectors to reduce our cabling requirements in hotels for events. It's pretty great.
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@IRJ said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores - and there's always side loading of apps.
You can sideload apps on Android, but you have to go into the security settings and enable it first. Non techy users can't just download an APK by mistake and automatically install it.
This isn't so hard as to require someone to be techie.
But that wasn't the point - the point was that compared to Linux, Android did all the same things - the Google Play store over sees the license, support, integration, etc - you can add third party stores - and you can side load.
Just wondering, why did you mention side loading required checking the box, but not installing a third party store?
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@Dashrender said:
@IRJ said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores - and there's always side loading of apps.
You can sideload apps on Android, but you have to go into the security settings and enable it first. Non techy users can't just download an APK by mistake and automatically install it.
This isn't so hard as to require someone to be techie.
But that wasn't the point - the point was that compared to Linux, Android did all the same things - the Google Play store over sees the license, support, integration, etc - you can add third party stores - and you can side load.
Just wondering, why did you mention side loading required checking the box, but not installing a third party store?
You don't need a third party store. If you're dumb enough you can just go to the internet and download the first apk you find and install it.
It's nice for developers and also for companies that develop their own apps. You can just install the app by clicking on the file, or through an MDM just upload the apk.
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@johnhooks said:
@Dashrender said:
@IRJ said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores - and there's always side loading of apps.
You can sideload apps on Android, but you have to go into the security settings and enable it first. Non techy users can't just download an APK by mistake and automatically install it.
This isn't so hard as to require someone to be techie.
But that wasn't the point - the point was that compared to Linux, Android did all the same things - the Google Play store over sees the license, support, integration, etc - you can add third party stores - and you can side load.
Just wondering, why did you mention side loading required checking the box, but not installing a third party store?
You don't need a third party store. If you're dumb enough you can just go to the internet and download the first apk you find and install it.
I'm not sure what you're driving at? Of course you can - so? it still requires checking the box to allow third party things to be installed.
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@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
@Dashrender said:
@IRJ said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores - and there's always side loading of apps.
You can sideload apps on Android, but you have to go into the security settings and enable it first. Non techy users can't just download an APK by mistake and automatically install it.
This isn't so hard as to require someone to be techie.
But that wasn't the point - the point was that compared to Linux, Android did all the same things - the Google Play store over sees the license, support, integration, etc - you can add third party stores - and you can side load.
Just wondering, why did you mention side loading required checking the box, but not installing a third party store?
You don't need a third party store. If you're dumb enough you can just go to the internet and download the first apk you find and install it.
I'm not sure what you're driving at? Of course you can - so? it still requires checking the box to allow third party things to be installed.
I guess I'm confused what your point was here
Just wondering, why did you mention side loading required checking the box, but not installing a third party store?
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@johnhooks said:
@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
You don't need a third party store. If you're dumb enough you can just go to the internet and download the first apk you find and install it.
I'm not sure what you're driving at? Of course you can - so? it still requires checking the box to allow third party things to be installed.
I guess I'm confused what your point was here
Just wondering, why did you mention side loading required checking the box, but not installing a third party store?
You mentioned that you don't need a third party store, that if someone was dumb enough they could just download an APK and install it.
I specifically mentioned side-loading, so I wasn't sure what you were driving at? What makes side loading any dumber than installing a third party store?
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@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
You don't need a third party store. If you're dumb enough you can just go to the internet and download the first apk you find and install it.
I'm not sure what you're driving at? Of course you can - so? it still requires checking the box to allow third party things to be installed.
I guess I'm confused what your point was here
Just wondering, why did you mention side loading required checking the box, but not installing a third party store?
You mentioned that you don't need a third party store, that if someone was dumb enough they could just download an APK and install it.
I specifically mentioned side-loading, so I wasn't sure what you were driving at? What makes side loading any dumber than installing a third party store?
Ah that's what I didn't get. When I read it I thought you were saying you needed a third party app store after you checked the box. I just misunderstood your statement.
