Onedrive is shrinking
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@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
Oh my point was why to stay put. You can stay on office 2007 or whatever and your stuff will keep working. If you don't need the new versions, why bother upgrading and spending any money at all?
My point exactly.
But why spend the money to invest in the MS Office ecosystem to not maintain it? You've lost the benefits of saving money (LibreOffice) and the benefits of going with the MS ecosystem by letting them leave you in the dust.
Staying put isn't a reason. My point is... if you were going to stay put I don't see how it can make sense to do it on a costly platform that is not kept patched.
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@Dashrender said:
@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
Also, is it 100% compatible with all the funky macro's and lord knows what other garbage our users have created?
Will 2007? That stuff causes problems there moreso than on LibreOffice from what little exposure I've had. But that's talking about migrating now, I'm asking how the situation arose.
We're on 10/13 (about 30/70% split) and have no issues between versions that I've heard of. If true, I'll have to give it a crack. I don't know how we're going to wean off Outlook though, I think that'll be the major challenge.
I plan to wean off Outlook over to OWA starting in January! Some departments will love it since it means their profile doesn't matter. They can walk up to any computer as long as it has internet access and access their email and the LOB app because they are both through a browser.
The twentieth century is still an amazing place to a lot of users
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@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Oh my point was why to stay put. You can stay on office 2007 or whatever and your stuff will keep working. If you don't need the new versions, why bother upgrading and spending any money at all?
Security / updates will cease on 07, then what do you do
This is the only thing that keeps driving most people forward.
I'm hoping to migrate to O365 and stop worrying about it as most users will just use Office apps online, I hope!
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@MattSpeller said:
Security / updates will cease on 07, then what do you do
Well, I will consider upgrading at that point. (I think it's the end of 2017 support ends.) Definitely to O365.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
Also, is it 100% compatible with all the funky macro's and lord knows what other garbage our users have created?
Will 2007? That stuff causes problems there moreso than on LibreOffice from what little exposure I've had. But that's talking about migrating now, I'm asking how the situation arose.
We're on 10/13 (about 30/70% split) and have no issues between versions that I've heard of. If true, I'll have to give it a crack. I don't know how we're going to wean off Outlook though, I think that'll be the major challenge.
I plan to wean off Outlook over to OWA starting in January! Some departments will love it since it means their profile doesn't matter. They can walk up to any computer as long as it has internet access and access their email and the LOB app because they are both through a browser.
The twentieth century is still an amazing place to a lot of users
We have a really good user base here, probably why I've stuck around so long. Even still, I think moving away from Outlook will have a mob with torches and pitchforks at my door.
Edit: worth suggesting at least to see what the barriers are
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@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Oh my point was why to stay put. You can stay on office 2007 or whatever and your stuff will keep working. If you don't need the new versions, why bother upgrading and spending any money at all?
Security / updates will cease on 07, then what do you do
And won't the upgrade paths be far worse now... effectively a decade of "nothing has changed" and now the options will be...
- Make an even more painful leap to LibreOffice now that could have been avoided completely before.
- Move to a very old, but newer, version of MS Office incurring all of the costs of updating, just later, and not providing new features and still having shock from change.
- Leaping ahead to current MS Office which will cost less but incur far more shock?
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
Also, is it 100% compatible with all the funky macro's and lord knows what other garbage our users have created?
Will 2007? That stuff causes problems there moreso than on LibreOffice from what little exposure I've had. But that's talking about migrating now, I'm asking how the situation arose.
We're on 10/13 (about 30/70% split) and have no issues between versions that I've heard of. If true, I'll have to give it a crack. I don't know how we're going to wean off Outlook though, I think that'll be the major challenge.
I plan to wean off Outlook over to OWA starting in January! Some departments will love it since it means their profile doesn't matter. They can walk up to any computer as long as it has internet access and access their email and the LOB app because they are both through a browser.
The twentieth century is still an amazing place to a lot of users
We have a really good user base here, probably why I've stuck around so long. Even still, I think moving away from Outlook will have a mob with torches and pitchforks at my door.
That's how people react to most things like cars, gas lamps, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@johnhooks said:
@scottalanmiller said:
WPS? Who makes that?
Used to be Kingsoft. It started on Android and they made a full suite.
Doesn't appear to be open. That adds a lot of risk.
It does, I've mostly shown it to people for personal stuff who wanted the ribbon.
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I still can't make the leap to OWA 2103.
I tried for a few days last week, and kept opening Outlook 2007.
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@BRRABill said:
@MattSpeller said:
Security / updates will cease on 07, then what do you do
Well, I will consider upgrading at that point. (I think it's the end of 2017 support ends.) Definitely to O365.
O365 licensing of MS Office on premises? That will be MS Office 2016 at that point.
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@BRRABill said:
@MattSpeller said:
Security / updates will cease on 07, then what do you do
Well, I will consider upgrading at that point. (I think it's the end of 2017 support ends.) Definitely to O365.
Ugh, skipping that many versions will suck for you and your users. I try and skip every other one, more than that and training gets to be a real headache.
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@scottalanmiller said:
O365 licensing of MS Office on premises? That will be MS Office 2016 at that point.
No, probably the online version that gives access to desktop versions as well.
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@johnhooks said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@johnhooks said:
@scottalanmiller said:
WPS? Who makes that?
Used to be Kingsoft. It started on Android and they made a full suite.
Doesn't appear to be open. That adds a lot of risk.
It does, I've mostly shown it to people for personal stuff who wanted the ribbon.
After all of the torches and pitchforks about the ribbon in 2007, funny that now people demand it.
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@MattSpeller said:
Ugh, skipping that many versions will suck for you and your users. I try and skip every other one, more than that and training gets to be a real headache.
I weathered the ribbon bar. I can weather this.
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@scottalanmiller said:
After all of the torches and pitchforks about the ribbon in 2007, funny that now people demand it.
LOL, look at my reply just below yours. We were typing at the same time!
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
O365 licensing of MS Office on premises? That will be MS Office 2016 at that point.
No, probably the online version that gives access to desktop versions as well.
You just reworded what I said. Either you get Office 365 licensing of MS Office 2016 on premises or you don't.
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@scottalanmiller said:
You just reworded what I said. Either you get Office 365 licensing of MS Office 2016 on premises or you don't.
We need a BRRABILL to proper technology wording primer.
It's long overdue.
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@BRRABill said:
@MattSpeller said:
Ugh, skipping that many versions will suck for you and your users. I try and skip every other one, more than that and training gets to be a real headache.
I weathered the ribbon bar. I can weather this.
Probably the most hated software change I've ever been through.
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@MattSpeller said:
@BRRABill said:
@MattSpeller said:
Security / updates will cease on 07, then what do you do
Well, I will consider upgrading at that point. (I think it's the end of 2017 support ends.) Definitely to O365.
Ugh, skipping that many versions will suck for you and your users. I try and skip every other one, more than that and training gets to be a real headache.
I'm a big believer in regular, constant updates. It trains people to get used to reasonable, small updates and to be able to always keep up to date elsewhere. Anything else starts to feel capricious to end users and you have to explain and justify what you have decided to do rather than just "deploying what Microsoft makes."
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@scottalanmiller said:
You just reworded what I said. Either you get Office 365 licensing of MS Office 2016 on premises or you don't.
Isn't there just straight on-premises licensing as well?
