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    • dafyreD
      dafyre @windso
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      @windso said:

      1. Add all your IT load wattages together. Done 😉

      Wattage of the Power Supplies, right?

      1. For 120V loads, take your server currents and multiply them all by 120V. If you have three phases, the process is the same: take all the currents, add together, multiply by 120V. Done!

      What do you mean by server currents?

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      • art_of_shredA
        art_of_shred Banned @dafyre
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        @dafyre said:

        @windso said:

        1. Add all your IT load wattages together. Done 😉

        Wattage of the Power Supplies, right?

        1. For 120V loads, take your server currents and multiply them all by 120V. If you have three phases, the process is the same: take all the currents, add together, multiply by 120V. Done!

        What do you mean by server currents?

        Current is amps. My question about the wattage is do you go by the labeled wattage of the power supply, or do you need to calculate the actual operating load?

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
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          Server Current is the force of the flowing servers in the computational stream.

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          • windsoW
            windso Vendor @dafyre
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            @dafyre , good point, I edit the wording. See above. Really I mean current on each phase. Poorly worded. Sorry!

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            • art_of_shredA
              art_of_shred Banned @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said:

              Server Current is the force of the flowing servers in the computational stream.

              Don't try to answer electrical questions with IT answers. lol

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              • dafyreD
                dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller ❓ 💥 ❓ -- Mind = Blown

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                • JColeKenJ
                  JColeKen Vendor @dafyre
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                  @dafyre Cha-ching!

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                  • JColeKenJ
                    JColeKen Vendor @art_of_shred
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                    @art_of_shred Actual operating load is the most practical.

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                    • coliverC
                      coliver @JColeKen
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                      @JColeKen said:

                      @art_of_shred Actual operating load is the most practical.

                      How would you measure this in an environment without power monitoring? Or is it basically a guess at that point?

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                      • art_of_shredA
                        art_of_shred Banned @JColeKen
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                        @JColeKen said:

                        @art_of_shred Actual operating load is the most practical.

                        Is there a simple percentage to use there as a ballpark figure?

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                        • art_of_shredA
                          art_of_shred Banned @coliver
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                          @coliver said:

                          @JColeKen said:

                          @art_of_shred Actual operating load is the most practical.

                          How would you measure this in an environment without power monitoring? Or is it basically a guess at that point?

                          An ammeter works great if you have one and want real numbers.

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                          • JColeKenJ
                            JColeKen Vendor @art_of_shred
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                            @art_of_shred 70-80% is a safe bet. Sometimes it is lower, but that is typically what I default to when sizing.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @art_of_shred
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                              @art_of_shred said:

                              @coliver said:

                              @JColeKen said:

                              @art_of_shred Actual operating load is the most practical.

                              How would you measure this in an environment without power monitoring? Or is it basically a guess at that point?

                              An ammeter works great if you have one and want real numbers.

                              Even in the afternoon or do you have to switch to a PMmeter?

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                              • windsoW
                                windso Vendor @art_of_shred
                                last edited by windso

                                @art_of_shred @coliver

                                Yes! These can be somewhat inexpensive. We usually see IT equipment running at 60% or less of nameplate rating. The challenge we have when sizing a UPS or PDU, and you will have too, is that generic rules always bite you at some point. If you are the exception, you risk taking down everything.

                                Keep in mind that sizing a UPS or PDU at less than 80% or 100% utilization is a good thing. UPSs and PDUs are like the breakers feeding your Christmas tree lights - Once you add too much, the lights go off!

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                                • JColeKenJ
                                  JColeKen Vendor @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller Lolz

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                                  • art_of_shredA
                                    art_of_shred Banned @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    @art_of_shred said:

                                    @coliver said:

                                    @JColeKen said:

                                    @art_of_shred Actual operating load is the most practical.

                                    How would you measure this in an environment without power monitoring? Or is it basically a guess at that point?

                                    An ammeter works great if you have one and want real numbers.

                                    Even in the afternoon or do you have to switch to a PMmeter?

                                    Once again sporting your prowess in all things electrical. I defer to your expertise...

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                                    • NicN
                                      Nic
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                                      Couple of ones that might be more home oriented than business:

                                      1. Do you have any plans to get into the home battery market, like Tesla? (or are you already) These are the backup batteries that you can charge from solar and then power your home from (or use as a backup for if the power is out).
                                      2. What would you recommend in the prosumer market for IT pros or technically minded folks to use at home?
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                                      • art_of_shredA
                                        art_of_shred Banned @windso
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                                        @windso said:

                                        @art_of_shred @coliver

                                        Yes! These can be somewhat inexpensive. We usually see loads running at 60% or less of nameplate rating. The challenge we have, and you will have too, is that generic rules always bite you at some point. If you are the exception, you risk taking down everything.

                                        Keep in mind that sizing a circuit at less than 80% or 100% is a good thing. You never want to completely oversize, but UPSs and PDUs are like the breakers feeding your Christmas tree lights - Once you add too much, the lights go off!

                                        Just to clarify, I thought that was worded a little confusingly. You never want your load to equal or surpass your protection. Ideally, your expected amp load should only be about 80% of your protection's full capacity. Otherwise, you can exceed its ability to protect and either diminish its performance or nullify the protection altogether.

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                                        • art_of_shredA
                                          art_of_shred Banned
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                                          That didn't sound good when I read it, so keep your mind out of the gutter.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @art_of_shred
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                                            @art_of_shred said:

                                            That didn't sound good when I read it, so keep your mind out of the gutter.

                                            Too late.

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