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    Users are Choosing Security over Flexibility

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @coliver
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      @coliver said:

      Are people really choosing security? Or are they just working within the model that is presented them?

      Worthy question. But I think that they are choosing simplicity, which is related.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        Although if they were really choosing simplicity, they would have all moved to Linux desktops long ago.

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        • coliverC
          coliver @scottalanmiller
          last edited by coliver

          @scottalanmiller said:

          Although if they were really choosing simplicity, they would have all moved to Linux desktops long ago.

          Which is what the second part of my question is... I don't think anyone is really making a choice toward security, simplicity, or flexibility. I think people don't know their options and just use what is presented to them.

          By anyone I mean most people. I'm sure there are quite a few maybe 3-5% of people who actively make a choice everyone else just kind of falls into it.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
            last edited by

            @scottalanmiller said:

            @coliver said:

            Are people really choosing security? Or are they just working within the model that is presented them?

            Worthy question. But I think that they are choosing simplicity, which is related.

            I don't agree. If simplicity in this case was the more dangerous route, but easier, they would still go this way.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
              last edited by

              @Dashrender said:

              @scottalanmiller said:

              @coliver said:

              Are people really choosing security? Or are they just working within the model that is presented them?

              Worthy question. But I think that they are choosing simplicity, which is related.

              I don't agree. If simplicity in this case was the more dangerous route, but easier, they would still go this way.

              Didn't you just agree with me?

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @coliver
                last edited by

                @coliver said:

                @scottalanmiller said:

                Although if they were really choosing simplicity, they would have all moved to Linux desktops long ago.

                Which is what the second part of my question is... I don't think anyone is really making a choice toward security, simplicity, or flexibility. I think people don't know their options and just use what is presented to them.

                By anyone I mean most people. I'm sure there are quite a few maybe 3-5% of people who actively make a choice everyone else just kind of falls into it.

                I completely agree with this. Just look at the myriad of requirements that apps have today, access to address book, GPS, your SMS, etc, etc, etc. Most people never even pause to ask why those things are needed. Personally I really dislike the fact that on Android you can't pick and choose (though I think that is now coming). Apple has kinda given you the chance to pick and choose - upon first launch of an app, it says hey this apps want access to SMS, is that ok? Yes/No

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @Dashrender said:

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @coliver said:

                  Are people really choosing security? Or are they just working within the model that is presented them?

                  Worthy question. But I think that they are choosing simplicity, which is related.

                  I don't agree. If simplicity in this case was the more dangerous route, but easier, they would still go this way.

                  Didn't you just agree with me?

                  My wording might be funky.. yes I'm agreeing with you completely!

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    @Dashrender said:

                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    @Dashrender said:

                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    @coliver said:

                    Are people really choosing security? Or are they just working within the model that is presented them?

                    Worthy question. But I think that they are choosing simplicity, which is related.

                    I don't agree. If simplicity in this case was the more dangerous route, but easier, they would still go this way.

                    Didn't you just agree with me?

                    My wording might be funky.. yes I'm agreeing with you completely!

                    Funky wording in "I don't agree" meaning "I agree?" LMAO

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @Dashrender
                      last edited by

                      @Dashrender said:

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      @coliver said:

                      Are people really choosing security? Or are they just working within the model that is presented them?

                      Worthy question. But I think that they are choosing simplicity, which is related.

                      I don't agree. If simplicity in this case was the more dangerous route, but easier, they would still go this way.

                      OH I see where all of ya'lls confusion is.

                      I agree it's a worthy question, I don't agree that choosing simplicity is related to security in any way.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        @Dashrender said:

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        @Dashrender said:

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        @coliver said:

                        Are people really choosing security? Or are they just working within the model that is presented them?

                        Worthy question. But I think that they are choosing simplicity, which is related.

                        I don't agree. If simplicity in this case was the more dangerous route, but easier, they would still go this way.

                        Didn't you just agree with me?

                        My wording might be funky.. yes I'm agreeing with you completely!

                        Funky wording in "I don't agree" meaning "I agree?" LMAO

                        Nope, see above.
                        lol

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          @Dashrender said:

                          @Dashrender said:

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @coliver said:

                          Are people really choosing security? Or are they just working within the model that is presented them?

                          Worthy question. But I think that they are choosing simplicity, which is related.

                          I don't agree. If simplicity in this case was the more dangerous route, but easier, they would still go this way.

                          OH I see where all of ya'lls confusion is.

                          I agree it's a worthy question, I don't agree that choosing simplicity is related to security in any way.

                          Complexity, by its nature, is an enemy of security. Simplicity doesn't guarantee security, but complexity effectively prevents it.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller
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                            It's like how building a foundation doesn't mean you get a house. But failing to build a foundation pretty much guarantees you will not get a house.

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender
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                              But I'd agree that your previous step was claiming causality. Which now we appear to be agreeing it's there.

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                              • dafyreD
                                dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                It's like how building a foundation doesn't mean you get a house. But failing to build a foundation pretty much guarantees you will not get a house.

                                Not necessarily... It does mean that if there's a mudslide, tornado, earthquake or hurricane, then you are much, much more likely to not have a house afterwards, lol.

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                                • JaredBuschJ
                                  JaredBusch @dafyre
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                                  @dafyre said:

                                  Not necessarily... It does mean that if there's a mudslide, tornado, earthquake or hurricane, then you are much, much more likely to not have a house afterwards, lol.

                                  No, that would be the quality of the foundation. You have to have a foundation. even if it is a very simple set of loose stones or a set of boards.

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