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@Minion-Queen said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Now that being said. There is no reason a woman can't work and do some of the same jobs as a guy. However I am in full agreement if you can't do a job the same as a guy ( or better) then you shouldn't do it.
My Aunt is a Marine along with her husband, my uncle. She is scary and can take him down. However I have a friend also in the Marines and she had to use the womens modifications to get in. Umm no you shouldn't be in the services if you can't do what your male counterparts can.
This is the definition of equals, and what feminism is really trying to accomplish. Minus the femi-Nazis, who take things to the other extreme, and I'm personally against things like Affirmative Action, because I know what they were trying to do, but unfortunately it's one of those things that on paper is good but in actuality it's horrible. People are people, and it should be based on qualifications, not the race of the person or demographic metrics to meet.
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@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
As much as I am a nice person I don't agree with the 'every kid gets a trophy' mentality.
I don't think nice is a factor. No matter how nice you are doesn't mean that you want to reward failure. Rewarding failure is just another term for trivializing success.
I completely agree that participation trophies are bullshit. You need to know how to fail, and succeed, and should be pushed to succeed. We should not be programming kids that if they fail, everything will just still be alright. We're taking away competition and drive and spirit from the next generation, and I hate that. Glad that I avoided that mess.
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Just as a random FYI, one of the reasons @Minion-Queen is so awesome is for the very reason I mentioned above. Her and I have actually lost some of our similarities on things as I've gotten older, in viewpoints on various political issues, etc. However, she falls into what is, sadly, an all-too-rare category, that she holds her beliefs, but respects other people's and doesn't chastise them for being "wrong". Then again, Danielle is just awesome in general.
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@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@thanksajdotcom said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
I respect the fact that everyone thinks they are right the majority of the time. It's kind of part of human nature. The problem as I see it is too few people are open to hearing the opinions of a contradictory viewpoint. My brother-in-law is a very intelligent person, but his weakness is assuming that because he is intelligent his viewpoint must be correct. In ethics, there are always many strong principles and you can absolutely justify each of them strongly even though they are at odds with each other. I try to remember that in my day to day.
I always respect that others may have viewpoints different from me. However, if I ask someone to defend their opinion on something, and becomes a personal attack against me for disagreeing with them, then I will not tolerate that. I have friends on the whole range of political viewpoints, sexuality, etc. As long as we can have that mutual respect for each other, that even if we don't agree, we still show that, I'm fine. I also get really peeved by people who assume that because I'm younger, that I somehow "lack life experience" or "just don't get it". That and the skewed viewpoint that people of my generation are inherently lazy both grind my gears...
In the best scenario where you both respect each others thought process but arrive at different conclusions it's very easy to have mutual respect. It's when you consider your thought process to be accurate and concise while theirs is mixed up and inaccurate that the theory is really tested.
If a good person can do wrong and a bad person can do right then we are only ever judging the actions not the person.
I disagree with the whole "judge the actions, not the person" because I was fed that growing up, and it's bullshit. A person is defined by their actions. I know what they're trying to say is that good people can do bad things, and vice versa. But while the idea is novel, one bad action by a good person doesn't make them a bad person, as a rule. It's more about being able to have objective, civil debates, and if you still don't agree at the end, remaining polite, pleasant and respectful of each other.
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@dafyre said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@thanksajdotcom said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
It's more about being able to have objective, civil debates, and if you still don't agree at the end, remaining polite, pleasant and respectful of each other.
So much this. That is one of the reasons I enjoy a lot of the non-IT banter on here because it lets us learn something about somebody else and not wind up hating each other at the end of the day.
I will debate any subject with anyone. You want to discuss religion? Politics? Sex? Let's go! I hate the "small talk" culture we've become where it's demonized to actually say what you think and how you feel and not just "fine, yourself?" I love deep conversations, but I demand that if we have a discussion, it doesn't devolve into name-calling and basically become kindergarten. You claim something? Back it up with evidence! If you get butthurt that I demand you legitimize your viewpoints, then the conversation has devolved. And most of the time when that's happened, people know, at some level, they are being biased/prejudiced, etc and they don't want to admit that so they say how, someone like myself, is ignorant, or blind, or brainwashed, etc. After that point, I stop respecting the ability to discourse with you and move on. You're not worth my time once that happens. Come back when you've grown up.
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@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@thanksajdotcom said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@Dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@thanksajdotcom said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
and I'm personally against things like Affirmative Action, because I know what they were trying to do, but unfortunately it's one of those things that on paper is good but in actuality it's horrible. People are people, and it should be based on qualifications, not the race of the person or demographic metrics to meet.
Please explain on paper how it's good?
On paper it is supposed to help ensure that everyone gets a fair shot by rewarding companies for hiring minorities, and maintaining a certain percentage of minorities. So I see what they were trying to do. But it's horrible, and broken, and needs to go away.
On paper it's racist and sexist. On paper it might actually look more evil than in real life!
It's horrible, I agree. Again, I don't agree with it. I get what they were trying to do, but the disconnect between what is on paper, which isn't really good, and what's reality, which is worse, is bad.
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@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@thanksajdotcom said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@thanksajdotcom said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
I respect the fact that everyone thinks they are right the majority of the time. It's kind of part of human nature. The problem as I see it is too few people are open to hearing the opinions of a contradictory viewpoint. My brother-in-law is a very intelligent person, but his weakness is assuming that because he is intelligent his viewpoint must be correct. In ethics, there are always many strong principles and you can absolutely justify each of them strongly even though they are at odds with each other. I try to remember that in my day to day.
I always respect that others may have viewpoints different from me. However, if I ask someone to defend their opinion on something, and becomes a personal attack against me for disagreeing with them, then I will not tolerate that. I have friends on the whole range of political viewpoints, sexuality, etc. As long as we can have that mutual respect for each other, that even if we don't agree, we still show that, I'm fine. I also get really peeved by people who assume that because I'm younger, that I somehow "lack life experience" or "just don't get it". That and the skewed viewpoint that people of my generation are inherently lazy both grind my gears...
In the best scenario where you both respect each others thought process but arrive at different conclusions it's very easy to have mutual respect. It's when you consider your thought process to be accurate and concise while theirs is mixed up and inaccurate that the theory is really tested.
If a good person can do wrong and a bad person can do right then we are only ever judging the actions not the person.
I disagree with the whole "judge the actions, not the person" because I was fed that growing up, and it's bullshit. A person is defined by their actions. I know what they're trying to say is that good people can do bad things, and vice versa. But while the idea is novel, one bad action by a good person doesn't make them a bad person, as a rule. It's more about being able to have objective, civil debates, and if you still don't agree at the end, remaining polite, pleasant and respectful of each other.
The basic premise behind this is "I don't think anyone has the right to judge anyone". We've all done right and wrong in our lives. If you trust the person to learn from their mistakes then keep them in your life. If you don't trust them to learn from their mistakes then don't keep them in your life. I think the majority of the judgments we make are horribly inaccurate to begin with considering we lack perspective as we are not the people we are judging.
A man stole something from someone. Stealing is bad. That man is bad. It's easy to arrive at this conclusion. The important part of it is why the man stole. Can any of us honestly say that if we were starving to death we wouldn't steal? I would. I would feel terrible about it, but I'd do it. Now we have a man who did something bad but is not himself a bad person. Judge the action not the person.
But in that case is the action wrong? If someone had to steal to eat to survive, what about soup kitchens/food banks? What about friends/family? There are circumstances behind it all, and this is also why I don't judge actions, I judge motives. To be honest, if I knew someone had killed someone for some reason, and the motive was to protect someone they cared about, the action might be "wrong" but the motive wasn't. That's why I say you can't judge the action and not the person. It's also about not taking things at face value.
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@Dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@thanksajdotcom said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@Dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@thanksajdotcom said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
and I'm personally against things like Affirmative Action, because I know what they were trying to do, but unfortunately it's one of those things that on paper is good but in actuality it's horrible. People are people, and it should be based on qualifications, not the race of the person or demographic metrics to meet.
Please explain on paper how it's good?
On paper it is supposed to help ensure that everyone gets a fair shot by rewarding companies for hiring minorities, and maintaining a certain percentage of minorities. So I see what they were trying to do. But it's horrible, and broken, and needs to go away.
how does this ensure everyone gets a fair shot? If you're forced to hire % of specific minorities, etc, that's anything but fair.
It doesn't. It just feeds the "everything is a metric" mentality, and I hate that.
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@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@thanksajdotcom said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@thanksajdotcom said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@thanksajdotcom said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
I respect the fact that everyone thinks they are right the majority of the time. It's kind of part of human nature. The problem as I see it is too few people are open to hearing the opinions of a contradictory viewpoint. My brother-in-law is a very intelligent person, but his weakness is assuming that because he is intelligent his viewpoint must be correct. In ethics, there are always many strong principles and you can absolutely justify each of them strongly even though they are at odds with each other. I try to remember that in my day to day.
I always respect that others may have viewpoints different from me. However, if I ask someone to defend their opinion on something, and becomes a personal attack against me for disagreeing with them, then I will not tolerate that. I have friends on the whole range of political viewpoints, sexuality, etc. As long as we can have that mutual respect for each other, that even if we don't agree, we still show that, I'm fine. I also get really peeved by people who assume that because I'm younger, that I somehow "lack life experience" or "just don't get it". That and the skewed viewpoint that people of my generation are inherently lazy both grind my gears...
In the best scenario where you both respect each others thought process but arrive at different conclusions it's very easy to have mutual respect. It's when you consider your thought process to be accurate and concise while theirs is mixed up and inaccurate that the theory is really tested.
If a good person can do wrong and a bad person can do right then we are only ever judging the actions not the person.
I disagree with the whole "judge the actions, not the person" because I was fed that growing up, and it's bullshit. A person is defined by their actions. I know what they're trying to say is that good people can do bad things, and vice versa. But while the idea is novel, one bad action by a good person doesn't make them a bad person, as a rule. It's more about being able to have objective, civil debates, and if you still don't agree at the end, remaining polite, pleasant and respectful of each other.
The basic premise behind this is "I don't think anyone has the right to judge anyone". We've all done right and wrong in our lives. If you trust the person to learn from their mistakes then keep them in your life. If you don't trust them to learn from their mistakes then don't keep them in your life. I think the majority of the judgments we make are horribly inaccurate to begin with considering we lack perspective as we are not the people we are judging.
A man stole something from someone. Stealing is bad. That man is bad. It's easy to arrive at this conclusion. The important part of it is why the man stole. Can any of us honestly say that if we were starving to death we wouldn't steal? I would. I would feel terrible about it, but I'd do it. Now we have a man who did something bad but is not himself a bad person. Judge the action not the person.
But in that case is the action wrong? If someone had to steal to eat to survive, what about soup kitchens/food banks? What about friends/family? There are circumstances behind it all, and this is also why I don't judge actions, I judge motives. To be honest, if I knew someone had killed someone for some reason, and the motive was to protect someone they cared about, the action might be "wrong" but the motive wasn't. That's why I say you can't judge the action and not the person. It's also about not taking things at face value.
The act of stealing is wrong in that you are taking something you did not earn from someone who did against their will. That is wrong in principle.
The problem is that the world isn't black and white. It's about a million shades of grey, and it's knowing how to operate ethically in the grey that allows people to succeed. Everything has good and bad aspects. It's about weighing the options, and doing the best thing you can.