@scottalanmiller said in CP - Dell vs HP server quotes:
@NetworkNerd said in CP - Dell vs HP server quotes:
I was thinking vSAN required 3 hosts. I guess Starwind does not?
Correct, Starwind does not, only two nodes.
This is exactly correct. Redundant heartbeat network. We'll push witness-capable version with some next minor update (sick of telling people there are so many ways to skin a cat and hang a dog - will do both ways).
@scottalanmiller said in CP - Dell vs HP server quotes:
@Kelly said in CP - Dell vs HP server quotes:
What is the point of duplicating the discussion here? I understand that there were some objections to the moderation approach, but since the OP is not part of the discussion, is this anything more than an academic exercise?
The OP said that he wanted and appreciated the broader information so the inability to have an open professional discussion where this originated requires either that the OP be left without the information that he feels is valid (this case) or is needed for completeness (many cases.) So in the interest of a professional level discussion (meaning as professionals we have obligations to honesty, transparency, growth, education, etc.) rather than a Q&A post (the storage and virtualization arenas on SW are not Q&A only like ServerFault) the discussion has to move elsewhere. The decision to remove the open discussion for storage and Virtualization topics on SW was confirmed with SW officially, so those topic groups have nowhere to have those discussions there, and people posting on SW think that they are posting for discussion and professional guidance, which is not allowed there. So even just in the interest of letting the OPs know that we still care and are still trying to help regardless of the mod's decisions to not allow that assistance in that community. Otherwise, it looks like those of us who want to help have abandoned that community, and it's important that posters on SW know that we are still around, still trying to help them.
And in many ways, this is better. Now SW can maintain the "here is the answer to what you asked, no need to dig deeper if you don't want your boss to see" or whatever. But if the OP wants a deep discussion into what they need, rather than what they asked, they can come here. It does make it easy for them to opt in, or opt out of the deeper discussion. Sadly, it leaves casual passers-by on SW not aware that there are potential issues, but casual readers on SW are caveat emptor as far as understanding that what they are seeing is intentionally filtered "advice."
A lot of good quality people (sorry if it sounds offensive but I hope you know what I mean) had indeed either left entirely or spend MUCH LESS time on a SpiceWorks these days. But i thin it's what happens to all the good forums all the time - people migrate from one to another and... It's a natural process 
@DustinB3403 said in CP - Dell vs HP server quotes:
I've received two quotes for new server hardware - one from our local reseller and one directly from Dell. As far as I can tell, the two quotes are identical spec-wise but the local reseller is almost $12k more expensive. Here are the two quotes:
Quote from Dell:
2x Dell PowerEdge R430 servers $6,665.60
- 2x Xeon E5-2630 v3 CPUs
- 2x 32 GB RDIMM
- Diskless configuration
1x Dell SCv2020 iSCSI SAN $10,303.26- 14x Dell 1.2 TB SAS 12GB, 10k, 2.5" HD
1x Dell N2048 gigabit switch $1,693.49TOTAL: $18,662.35
HP Quote from local reseller:
2x HP ProLiant DL360 servers $7,266.00
- 2x Xeon E5-2630 v3 CPUs
- 64 GB RAM (unknown configuration)
- Diskless configuration
1x HP MSA 2040 SAN $20,932.00- 14x HP MSA 1.2 TB 10K SAS 2.5in drives
- includes $5,850 in labor so actual price
is only $15,082
1x Cisco Catalyst 2960-X gigabit switch $2,320.00TOTAL: $30,518.00
Difference: $11,855.65
Is there any reason why I should choose the HP solution over the Dell solution? I will be running vSphere 6 on these servers. I'm not familiar with managing either server line so either way I'll be learning new management tools. When it comes to support I think I trust my local reseller more than Dell but $12k extra is hard to stomach just for that.
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Support is Dell-Pro-Support either you're bbuying direct from Dell. from VAR. MSP and system integrators or OEMs like Nutanix, SimpliVity or StarWind (grin) add some extra support on top because they own the whole thing. Every hardware issue still ends with DPS unless VAR/SI/OEM will ship a replacement part and own engineer BEFORE Dell will handle that. But... with 4 hours SLA I don't think you need more (for big $$$).
@thwr said in 4 PB on USB3 Drives Single Storage Array:
@KOOLER said in 4 PB on USB3 Drives Single Storage Array:
@thwr said in 4 PB on USB3 Drives Single Storage Array:
@scottalanmiller said in 4 PB on USB3 Drives Single Storage Array:
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1874784-whole-hard-drive-manufacturerer
I kid you not, this is how the day of posting is going. Never saw what the OP's real goal is. But... what?
That's... interesting. Somehow. I've seen things before, like a guy who created a ZFS pool on 20-something USB thumbdrives to demonstrate ZFS failure handling when unplugging a member, but a production array with 4 PB on USB3? Probably not a good idea.
Why not getting a few cheap SAS enclosures, toploaders with 40+ disks for example? Backup and RAID are both big issues with so large arrays, hope that guy keeps that in kind.
Physical dimensions?
vs IKEA book shelve(s)?
U-boot water closet? Servers sitting on the top of [you know yourself]?
@thwr said in 4 PB on USB3 Drives Single Storage Array:
@scottalanmiller said in 4 PB on USB3 Drives Single Storage Array:
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1874784-whole-hard-drive-manufacturerer
I kid you not, this is how the day of posting is going. Never saw what the OP's real goal is. But... what?
That's... interesting. Somehow. I've seen things before, like a guy who created a ZFS pool on 20-something USB thumbdrives to demonstrate ZFS failure handling when unplugging a member, but a production array with 4 PB on USB3? Probably not a good idea.
Why not getting a few cheap SAS enclosures, toploaders with 40+ disks for example? Backup and RAID are both big issues with so large arrays, hope that guy keeps that in kind.
Physical dimensions? 
@scottalanmiller said in Happy Birthday Thread:
@Minion-Queen said in Happy Birthday Thread:
how the crap did he get to be 19 already?
> Because 19 years have passed.
you made my day
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@scottalanmiller said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
You can also use EMC ScaleIO for free with your own hardware if you use the community for support https://www.emc.com/products-solutions/trial-software-download/scaleio.htm (or you can buy the software or pre-configured dell servers with it).
For commercial use, too? How did I not know that they had opened this up?
Yes, the EULA has no restrictions on that. Their marketing terms of course try to convey you should " When you are ready to purchase a ScaleIO software license for full production use and maintenance, contact a Sales Associate" but the EULA has nothing requiring it.
This isn't true. Don't get yourself intro trouble with misuse! You can't use it for production and you have to let EMC know you evaluate with a prod use in mind. That's EVERYTHING but free... IMHO.
https://www.emc.com/content/terms/eula-scaleio.htm
E. “Internal Business Purposes” means an internal (non-commercial) Use for the purpose(s) of testing and demonstrating the features of the Software, and not for Customer product development, product testing, or other Customer research and development or commercial purposes.
You are reading that incorrectly. That's just definitions, not the terms. Our EMC rep already confirmed it to us.
I read everything correctly. 3A grants you rights to use sofware for "Internal Use". Internal Use means non-commercial.
I don't know what EMC sales rep verbally told you. Talk to your lawyers with EULA in hand, it's public.
Doesn't matter we have the Email from EMC. That is permission to use it.
If there's no financial interest from the person who told that he won't show up in the court, it would be you for EULA violation and EMC lawyers. When you install product you accept EULA and THAT is what you agree on when you use the licensed software. E-mail = junk.
@JaredBusch said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free for Non-Production Use:
@KOOLER said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
@scottalanmiller said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
@jason says that the EULA allows for production usage, just without support.
Not really...
https://www.emc.com/content/terms/eula-scaleio.htm
E. “Internal Business Purposes” means an internal (non-commercial) Use for the purpose(s) of testing and demonstrating the features of the Software, and not for Customer product development, product testing, or other Customer research and development or commercial purposes.
Nothing in that says not for production use. But it does say not for commercial purposes and customer development, etc. To me that reads, if I use it internally to run my business, i can.
If the law states you can't kill people it doesn't mean you can kill them with a fork just because fork isn't mentioned.
Production use = Commercial purpose
If you don't agree - go ahead, put SIO into production and be ready to re-write your house to your lawyer. I don't see what I can do to help here
@dafyre said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@scottalanmiller said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
You can also use EMC ScaleIO for free with your own hardware if you use the community for support https://www.emc.com/products-solutions/trial-software-download/scaleio.htm (or you can buy the software or pre-configured dell servers with it).
For commercial use, too? How did I not know that they had opened this up?
Yes, the EULA has no restrictions on that. Their marketing terms of course try to convey you should " When you are ready to purchase a ScaleIO software license for full production use and maintenance, contact a Sales Associate" but the EULA has nothing requiring it.
This isn't true. Don't get yourself intro trouble with misuse! You can't use it for production and you have to let EMC know you evaluate with a prod use in mind. That's EVERYTHING but free... IMHO.
https://www.emc.com/content/terms/eula-scaleio.htm
E. “Internal Business Purposes” means an internal (non-commercial) Use for the purpose(s) of testing and demonstrating the features of the Software, and not for Customer product development, product testing, or other Customer research and development or commercial purposes.
You are reading that incorrectly. That's just definitions, not the terms. Our EMC rep already confirmed it to us.
Look at 3 A... "License Grant. Subject to Customer's compliance with this Agreement, EMC grants to Customer a non-exclusive, world-wide, royalty free, full-paid, terminable, and nontransferable license, under EMC’s copyrights, to Use: (i) the Software for the Customer's Internal Business Purposes;"
Combine that with Definition E...
E. “Internal Business Purposes” means an internal (non-commercial) Use for the purpose(s) of testing and demonstrating the features of the Software, and not for Customer product development, product testing, or other Customer research and development or commercial purposes.