@art_of_shred said:
You can't really do worse than that, yet that doesn't seem to have hampered its success.
I disagree. Immediately my old boss leapt to spice girls, There is a negative connotation with the name, IT guys have a hard enough time getting stuff without having to explain why their conference has a wacky name.
@scottalanmiller said:
Not something I want to have happen.
So if someone sues you in a court, they can disclose those emails publicly even if they have no relevance to the case at hand? So current clients, pricing, invoices, that kind of thing? Are there not severe legal penalties for doing such a thing?
On another note.
I was given this piece of advice by someone retiring from business some time ago. If you don't want people to read it, Don't write it, He of course was more used to fax and traditional letters.
With some of the cyber-breaches we've been able to see some of the email threads of big corporates (Sony, etc) and how toxic and blunt they are with those communications. They thought no one would read them but whoops! Now we have.
@scottalanmiller said:
That's a very outsider view. Inside finance they would have welcomed having those records.
So who is responsible for this:
@scottalanmiller said:
Coming from big banking, email retention is not encouraged
@scottalanmiller said:
With email, in the US at least, you have to be able to prove that you have retained everything and then either search it, pay to search it or let the opposition search it (depending on the scenario I assume) and often all three. When you retain email you risk exposure because someone else might subpoena your emails!! Email retention is a big risk, even if you don't do anything wrong here.
Ok let's assume they do subpoena them, you let them search them, they find nothing because there is nothing for them to find.
Where's the problem for you? If it's their money and their time to search through the emails?
@Dashrender said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Coming from big banking, email retention is not encouraged
2008
drops the mic, walks off stage
eh?
A small financial crash which left many unemployed and various folks financial worse off. So it's no surprise that the industry largely responsible for such a crash doesn't want to leave a paper trial of what it does.
@scottalanmiller said:
The concern is not finding "something", it is proving that there is "nothing."
It's an absurdity. How can a court say "Prove you did not do this" - Imagine being sued for selling racist neo nazi sports-wear, would the court ask you to prove you did not sell them? Or would the burden of proof be on the plantiff?
@Dashrender said:
Exactly - look at the Hilary thing - she's trying to prove that classified stuff was never sent to her personal non protected account. Which is pretty much impossible to prove.
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Maybe they should arrest people at random for shop-lifting and ask "can you prove you did NOT steal those sweets?"
@scottalanmiller said:
Coming from big banking, email retention is not encouraged
2008
drops the mic, walks off stage
@Dashrender said:
If there was a chance at a loss of a 7 figure contract if you couldn't find the email then you had/have much more severe problems besides email archiving.
Not the whole contract but many companies do have problems.
@scottalanmiller said:
Archiving isn't the cost. Discovery is the cost.
if the lawyers are involved, sure.
With one email archive box I used, emails from 2007 to 2014, in and out. Took a minute or 2 to find what I needed. It's like google-fu.
Unite IT?
IT Unite?
You want social & tech and have it be short/snappy.
The cost of email archiving is comparatively cheap compared with the cost of mounting a legal defence when you have no evidence to protect yourself.
The use of email archiving from a management point of view is amazing, when you are looking after 120 sites over a 10 year period, all with differing issues and technologies, having an email trial of who said what, who did what and when is very useful.
When engineer X in 2009 made a change, we can look back and see why he recommended that change.
Is email archiving for everyone? Definitely not.
I had one incident with a company who had a 7 seven figure contract for a very long term project, retrieving those emails from 2012 meant that a huge amount of money was not lost. They now have an email archiving solution for such incidents.
@Dashrender said:
Yes, but as previously mentioned, keeping email for the sake of keeping email is pretty bad, especially if it's likely to be subpoena'ed.
This is assuming that your company is or will do something bad, so let's make sure there is no evidence lying around.
It sounds like, let's get rid of the CCTV in case our CEO is caught on film doing something naughty. Don't understand the logic behind this.
At another company, all inbound/outbound emails are logged into an archive which are then searchable by the team, excluding emails used by Directors.
So for us support guys, if client says "you promised me bla 6 months ago" we can quickly find it.
Or if they say they never asked us to block Facebook, boom, here is the mail showing that they did request it.
Email archives are incredibly useful.
I'm not convinced on the concept of "deep dive training" that can be delivered in a single hour.
More likely, you'll spend a day in the given subject, or x hours over a number of weeks.
Would you like to learn Exchange? Oh ok, we can cover a few things.
Hey Ho To Mexico!
"Despite more head nods and a round of verbal agreement from the hotel staff that this was a good idea, to my surprise nobody at the hotel bothered to touch the machine for two more days."
The problem is not that there are skimmers, the problem is no one wants to deal with it. It's up to the technical wizards in the background to fix these things.
...Such epic troll thread 
The link is to Spiceworld after hours 2015.
Ok, no more comments.
Will produce a poll shortly.
Thanks for this, I was going to draw up a graphic table which told a similar story.
I'll leave a link to it when it is made.
Amazon UK used to be top notch, now they are awful, a painful experience ordering almost every time.
items listed as "Out for delivery" only to not appear for days and when you contact Support, to be told the item is out of stock and not in warehouse yet.
When items do arrive, we've had a few damaged refurb units you cannot ask for a replacement if its not Amazon directly (which for most items is the case) you have to get a refund then order the item again.
They have cut corners hugely (who can blame them as their profits are in the red) so I'm glad its not just in the UK they are mucking up.
Let me give you one example of something which is currently used right now.
Your external IP address is tracked and then looked up against a list of businesses, to work out how big you are, who you are, what industry, ect.
Then the time you spend on a paticular page is watched, if you spend 20 minutes reading about printers, you'll them get some targeted marketing about printers to your business.
Just by tracking your external IP, no cookies or invasive scripts.
