Converting to a virtual environment
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@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@BRRABill said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said
No, does not need to be the same. Although Veeam Free will leave you without some of the things that you want. Unitrends or XenOrchestra will likely do a better job for you here when trying to do this for free.
Though no file level.
Always better to have an agent if you need that.
Unitrends does file level. But not for free.
Veeam can also do file level restores (no agent required) but again not in the free product.
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@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
ÆtherStore can work great for that. As a backup target pool it is really ideal. That's a perfect use case.
This is one of the primary use cases for ÆtherStore that many of the testers used it for, myself included.
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@JaredBusch said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
ÆtherStore can work great for that. As a backup target pool it is really ideal. That's a perfect use case.
This is one of the primary use cases for ÆtherStore that many of the testers used it for, myself included.
Absolutely, when I spent time with @Rob on this, the focus was very heavily to get backups working before anything else. It's the top use case for the product.
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@JaredBusch said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@BRRABill said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said
No, does not need to be the same. Although Veeam Free will leave you without some of the things that you want. Unitrends or XenOrchestra will likely do a better job for you here when trying to do this for free.
Though no file level.
Always better to have an agent if you need that.
Unitrends does file level. But not for free.
Veeam can also do file level restores (no agent required) but again not in the free product.
Oh, the free version doesn't have that feature? I did not realize that.
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Summing up this thread, the biggest thing the OP needs to understand is that he is not a special snowflake (I leave it to @scottalanmiller to link to his post on that). He keeps saying he needs all these various things that he almost certainly does not need.
I am willing to bet real money that no one in his company even took the time to analyze anything related to this.
He currently has a non-virtualized environment FFS. He most certainly does not need < 1 hour restores and HA and pretty much everything else that has been talked about.
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@JaredBusch said in Converting to a virtual environment:
Summing up this thread, the biggest thing the OP needs to understand is that he is not a special snowflake (I leave it to @scottalanmiller to link to his post on that).
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@JaredBusch said in Converting to a virtual environment:
I am willing to bet real money that no one in his company even took the time to analyze anything related to this.
This is huge, when you need HA, someone will pretty much tell you numbers for you to work with, things like "We lose $3,500 per hour." Or better, they give graphs that show how much they lose for each hour because it's not flat... it might be $20 the first hour and $10,000 the second hour.
There should also be outage mitigation strategies in a policies and procedures documentation place. People need to understand how to deal with an outage, not just act like the world has ended.
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@JaredBusch said in Converting to a virtual environment:
He currently has a non-virtualized environment FFS. He most certainly does not need < 1 hour restores and HA and pretty much everything else that has been talked about.
Agreed, it is a huge leap. It's not an organic growth from where they are to an improvement, it's "not treating it like a business" jumping straight to "things normal SMBs do not need." Good things to consider, but likely a single server with solid design is all that is warranted.
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@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@JaredBusch said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@BRRABill said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said
No, does not need to be the same. Although Veeam Free will leave you without some of the things that you want. Unitrends or XenOrchestra will likely do a better job for you here when trying to do this for free.
Though no file level.
Always better to have an agent if you need that.
Unitrends does file level. But not for free.
Veeam can also do file level restores (no agent required) but again not in the free product.
Oh, the free version doesn't have that feature? I did not realize that.
Unless it changed in the last year, free Veeam only does full backups as "VeeamZIP" file to my knowledge.
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@JaredBusch said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@JaredBusch said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@BRRABill said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said
No, does not need to be the same. Although Veeam Free will leave you without some of the things that you want. Unitrends or XenOrchestra will likely do a better job for you here when trying to do this for free.
Though no file level.
Always better to have an agent if you need that.
Unitrends does file level. But not for free.
Veeam can also do file level restores (no agent required) but again not in the free product.
Oh, the free version doesn't have that feature? I did not realize that.
Unless it changed in the last year, free Veeam only does full backups as "VeeamZIP" file to my knowledge.
Makes sense that they would do that.
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Their Endoint Recovery Free would work for backups in this scenario as well. And with that one, you do get file-level restores.
Unfortunately, it'd have to be loaded per VM, and is Windows only at the moment (Linux version just hit beta).
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@dafyre said in Converting to a virtual environment:
Their Endoint Recovery Free would work for backups in this scenario as well. And with that one, you do get file-level restores.
Unfortunately, it'd have to be loaded per VM, and is Windows only at the moment (Linux version just hit beta).
The beta has been very flaky in my testing.
I've used rsnapshot before and it's worked pretty well. Stores everything in directories so no fancy interface, but it was rock solid.
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I need to get that downloaded so that I can start testing on Linux, too. (Veeam Endpoint Protection, that is.)
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@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
I need to get that downloaded so that I can start testing on Linux, too. (Veeam Endpoint Protection, that is.)
It's ok. Nothing like the Windows version. It's just a tui with a few options (file level, volume level, and whole system I think). I haven't tried a restore through it so no idea how painful that is.
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Don't get me wrong though, I don't mind using a tui at all, just was surprised coming from using the Windows version.
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@stacksofplates said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
I need to get that downloaded so that I can start testing on Linux, too. (Veeam Endpoint Protection, that is.)
It's ok. Nothing like the Windows version. It's just a tui with a few options (file level, volume level, and whole system I think). I haven't tried a restore through it so no idea how painful that is.
Well a GUI would be a problem, where would you see it?
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@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@stacksofplates said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
I need to get that downloaded so that I can start testing on Linux, too. (Veeam Endpoint Protection, that is.)
It's ok. Nothing like the Windows version. It's just a tui with a few options (file level, volume level, and whole system I think). I haven't tried a restore through it so no idea how painful that is.
Well a GUI would be a problem, where would you see it?
Well if you actually have it running on workstations, that might be helpful. Kind of like Backintime.
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@stacksofplates said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@stacksofplates said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
I need to get that downloaded so that I can start testing on Linux, too. (Veeam Endpoint Protection, that is.)
It's ok. Nothing like the Windows version. It's just a tui with a few options (file level, volume level, and whole system I think). I haven't tried a restore through it so no idea how painful that is.
Well a GUI would be a problem, where would you see it?
Well if you actually have it running on workstations, that might be helpful. Kind of like Backintime.
Yeah... but we know not to back up workstations
I think Linux users most of all are good about almost never having to do that. -
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@stacksofplates said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@stacksofplates said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
I need to get that downloaded so that I can start testing on Linux, too. (Veeam Endpoint Protection, that is.)
It's ok. Nothing like the Windows version. It's just a tui with a few options (file level, volume level, and whole system I think). I haven't tried a restore through it so no idea how painful that is.
Well a GUI would be a problem, where would you see it?
Well if you actually have it running on workstations, that might be helpful. Kind of like Backintime.
Yeah... but we know not to back up workstations
I think Linux users most of all are good about almost never having to do that.Ha ya good point. There is nothing on ours at all. Apps, home directories, projects, etc, are all automounted.
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@stacksofplates said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@stacksofplates said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@stacksofplates said in Converting to a virtual environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Converting to a virtual environment:
I need to get that downloaded so that I can start testing on Linux, too. (Veeam Endpoint Protection, that is.)
It's ok. Nothing like the Windows version. It's just a tui with a few options (file level, volume level, and whole system I think). I haven't tried a restore through it so no idea how painful that is.
Well a GUI would be a problem, where would you see it?
Well if you actually have it running on workstations, that might be helpful. Kind of like Backintime.
Yeah... but we know not to back up workstations
I think Linux users most of all are good about almost never having to do that.Ha ya good point. There is nothing on ours at all. Apps, home directories, projects, etc, are all automounted.
Yup. Linux tends to be very good about that stuff.
