XenServer 7: best practice: noob question
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
HBAs: The LSI 9205-8i/9207-8i/93xx family of cards or flashing the LSI "IR" cards to "IT" mode.
http://www.avagotech.com/products/server-storage/host-bus-adapters/#tab-overviewYeah, they are trying to sound cooler than just saying "SAS Adapter." Just SAS Adapters.
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
HBA is for external drives. XenServer only officially supports hardware RAID controllers but includes enterprise software RAID. Either are fine. But generally you want hardware RAID in the SMB space.
I asked about HBAs because in the MSFT world with Storage Spaces HBAs can be used for internal drives.
They CAN be, but it is FAR less recommended there. Using Storage Spaces is just a fancy MS world marketing term for software RAID. And MS Software RAID is not considered to be enterprise ready. Linux Software RAID is and has been for decades.
So if on XenServer you hear hardware RAID recommended over software RAID, that's a minor recommendation. In the Windows world, hardware RAID is the only viable consideration. Using Storage Spaces today is... reckless. It's not just not a proven technology, it's a known bad technology with 20+ years of problems. The entire hardware RAID industry exists specifically because Windows Software RAID (now called Storage Spaces) isn't ready for prime time and should be avoided. If it wasn't for Windows and Novell Netware needing hardware RAID to compete, no one would bother making it.
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
- Best practices dictates that you install to USB, and clone USB to "backup USB"
- No never use fake raid
Using this method? http://mangolassi.it/topic/8537/how-to-clone-a-xen-usb-on-windows
I assume there is no way to make the clone without removing the USB stick from the XS box?
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
They CAN be, but it is FAR less recommended there. Using Storage Spaces is just a fancy MS world marketing term for software RAID. And MS Software RAID is not considered to be enterprise ready. Linux Software RAID is and has been for decades.
So if on XenServer you hear hardware RAID recommended over software RAID, that's a minor recommendation.
For XS, if the Linux software RAID is better, why not just always recommend that option & why is this not a supported option?
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
- Best practices dictates that you install to USB, and clone USB to "backup USB"
- No never use fake raid
Using this method? http://mangolassi.it/topic/8537/how-to-clone-a-xen-usb-on-windows
I assume there is no way to make the clone without removing the USB stick from the XS box?
Of course you'd have to remove it from the box. At least using that method.
You might be able to do it with DD, but you wouldn't want to do it while the system was running.
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
They CAN be, but it is FAR less recommended there. Using Storage Spaces is just a fancy MS world marketing term for software RAID. And MS Software RAID is not considered to be enterprise ready. Linux Software RAID is and has been for decades.
So if on XenServer you hear hardware RAID recommended over software RAID, that's a minor recommendation.
For XS, if the Linux software RAID is better, why not just always recommend that option & why is this not a supported option?
Because Hardware RAID is more easily protected, with built in batteries.
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@DustinB3403 said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
For XS, if the Linux software RAID is better, why not just always recommend that option & why is this not a supported option?
Because Hardware RAID is more easily protected, with built in batteries.
What makes the Linux software RAID better?
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
For XS, if the Linux software RAID is better, why not just always recommend that option & why is this not a supported option?
Because Hardware RAID is more easily protected, with built in batteries.
What makes the Linux software RAID better?
Well it's free, so cost is one way to call it better. It's been around forever and is incredibly stable and well documented.
Ways it's worse is that if the system loses power, so do the array instantly. So you risk database corruption etc.
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Does it have better performance & is it easier to setup?
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
Does it have better performance & is it easier to setup?
That is all dependent on how comfortable you are with software / hardware raid.
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
- Best practices dictates that you install to USB, and clone USB to "backup USB"
- No never use fake raid
Using this method? http://mangolassi.it/topic/8537/how-to-clone-a-xen-usb-on-windows
I assume there is no way to make the clone without removing the USB stick from the XS box?
You can clone with it still in.
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
They CAN be, but it is FAR less recommended there. Using Storage Spaces is just a fancy MS world marketing term for software RAID. And MS Software RAID is not considered to be enterprise ready. Linux Software RAID is and has been for decades.
So if on XenServer you hear hardware RAID recommended over software RAID, that's a minor recommendation.
For XS, if the Linux software RAID is better, why not just always recommend that option & why is this not a supported option?
Because hardware is better for pretty much any SMB. It's not supported because it requires more expertise and both XenServer and VMware try to tune for real world, enterprise usage and don't want to support things like software RAID.
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
For XS, if the Linux software RAID is better, why not just always recommend that option & why is this not a supported option?
Because Hardware RAID is more easily protected, with built in batteries.
What makes the Linux software RAID better?
Linux software RAID is better THAN WINDOWs software RAID. Linux software RAID is better because it has a two decade track record of being one of the best RAID implementations ever. It's used in many enterprise NAS and SAN devices as well. Windows software RAID has the same two decades of being so bad that the hardware RAID industry exists solely for it.
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
Does it have better performance & is it easier to setup?
Linux software RAID would have the best performance is most cases. But the performance is trivial. It is much harder to set up and maintain which is why we and XenServer are not recommending it. For the SMB market, it just doesn't make sense because you need systems to be easily supportable and well under stood. That's why hardware RAID is the way to go in 99% of cases.
Easy answer... if you have to ask, the answer is definitely hardware RAID.
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@DustinB3403 said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
Does it have better performance & is it easier to setup?
That is all dependent on how comfortable you are with software / hardware raid.
Even for software RAID experts, hardware RAID is easier.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
Does it have better performance & is it easier to setup?
That is all dependent on how comfortable you are with software / hardware raid.
Even for software RAID experts, hardware RAID is easier.
well yeah - it's practically plug and play - so few options.
Plus, in hardware RAID (assuming the chassis supports it) you get hot swap, something you don't get with Software RAID.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
Even for software RAID experts, hardware RAID is easier.
Ok, hardware RAID it shall be.
When using SSDs for VM storage, is there a performance difference RAID10 vs 5? (I realize RAID10 will cost you more per TB)
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
Even for software RAID experts, hardware RAID is easier.
Ok, hardware RAID it shall be.
When using SSDs for VM storage, is there a performance difference RAID10 vs 5? (I realize RAID10 will cost you more per TB)
There will be one, though it might be so small that you don't notice. But the reasons to use RAID 5 for SSDs are because rebuild times are so much faster the other issues with HDD RAID 5 are greatly reduced.
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
Does it have better performance & is it easier to setup?
That is all dependent on how comfortable you are with software / hardware raid.
Even for software RAID experts, hardware RAID is easier.
well yeah - it's practically plug and play - so few options.
Plus, in hardware RAID (assuming the chassis supports it) you get hot swap, something you don't get with Software RAID.
All enterprise software RAID has hot swap and always has. Only FakeRAID doesn't offer that and even that sometimes does. Hot swap is basically ubiquitous. Even ridiculous Windows software RAID has hot swap.
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7: best practice: noob question:
Even for software RAID experts, hardware RAID is easier.
Ok, hardware RAID it shall be.
When using SSDs for VM storage, is there a performance difference RAID10 vs 5? (I realize RAID10 will cost you more per TB)
Yes, RAID 10 is still faster and with lower latency. But with a good RAID controller, this is trivial and the cost doesn't make it make sense. Even with RAID 5 you can easily overrun your controller so there is no reason to spend money where the bottleneck doesn't exist.
