HUGE news: Nextcloud future of ownCloud!
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@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
He was the founder. What ever else he was in the company matters only for perspective.
What was his position prior to quitting?
He was A founder, I don't think that he was the only one. But he did not maintain control of the company towards the end. He might have for a while, but eventually he lost it or gave it up or never had it. I've worked with startups, including NTG and Change.org, where the founders (at least some of them) were never in any type of management position. Change's founder is purely an engineer and a great one, but that's it. No management role whatsoever. NTG's @AndyW was never any form of manager, just an engineer. Same situation. It's not uncommon. Pertino had the same.
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@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
He was the founder. What ever else he was in the company matters only for perspective.
What was his position prior to quitting?
He was A founder, I don't think that he was the only one.
That is not how he presented it during the Nextcloud Q&A yesterday. He originally announced ownCloud at a KDE event in 2010.
https://dot.kde.org/2010/01/21/camp-kde-2010-continues-more-talks
The third needed building block is a technology to make storage, access, revision control and sharing of documents really easy. Frank announced the ownCloud project which is a personal cloud storage solution to manage all you personal data. ownCloud will use the AGPL license so everybody can install his/her own cloud storage on a server, desktop and anywhere else. Everybody has control over his/her own data but is still able to access it from all devices, have revision control, automated backups, sharing with others and data encryption.
His position at ownCloud, Inc was CTO.
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@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
He was the founder. What ever else he was in the company matters only for perspective.
What was his position prior to quitting?
He was A founder, I don't think that he was the only one.
That is not how he presented it during the Nextcloud Q&A yesterday. He originally announced ownCloud at a KDE event in 2010.
https://dot.kde.org/2010/01/21/camp-kde-2010-continues-more-talks
The third needed building block is a technology to make storage, access, revision control and sharing of documents really easy. Frank announced the ownCloud project which is a personal cloud storage solution to manage all you personal data. ownCloud will use the AGPL license so everybody can install his/her own cloud storage on a server, desktop and anywhere else. Everybody has control over his/her own data but is still able to access it from all devices, have revision control, automated backups, sharing with others and data encryption.
His position at ownCloud, Inc was CTO.
So that was 2010, and true, it was a position he held before quitting, but perhaps not right before quitting.
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@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
His position at ownCloud, Inc was CTO.
So were many non-management founders that I've known. It's often a title used for non-management, especially in start ups. Maybe he was management at OC, I don't know. But CTO is often given as a purely engineering title (rightly or wrongly.)
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@Dashrender said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
He was the founder. What ever else he was in the company matters only for perspective.
What was his position prior to quitting?
He was A founder, I don't think that he was the only one.
That is not how he presented it during the Nextcloud Q&A yesterday. He originally announced ownCloud at a KDE event in 2010.
https://dot.kde.org/2010/01/21/camp-kde-2010-continues-more-talks
The third needed building block is a technology to make storage, access, revision control and sharing of documents really easy. Frank announced the ownCloud project which is a personal cloud storage solution to manage all you personal data. ownCloud will use the AGPL license so everybody can install his/her own cloud storage on a server, desktop and anywhere else. Everybody has control over his/her own data but is still able to access it from all devices, have revision control, automated backups, sharing with others and data encryption.
His position at ownCloud, Inc was CTO.
So that was 2010, and true, it was a position he held before quitting, but perhaps not right before quitting.
He was the CTO when he resigned. Serious wtf is your disconnect here?
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Seems likely that he was some degree of management but being CTO and not CEO, he likely had little control over the company and rather just over the product.
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I have a feeling @Dashrender is conflating the fact that he quit, with the fact that he started a new company, with the supposition that a company cannot shepherd open source software.
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@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
I have a feeling @Dashrender is conflating the fact that he quit, with the fact that he started a new company, with the supposition that a company cannot shepherd open source software.
Yes, I think that that is part of it. He was part of the first company, they didn't shepherd well, he'll do the same again. But he was not the shepherd, he was the head sheep upset with the old shepherd.
He might be bad too, but we have no reason to think that he will. We just have to see.
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@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
I have a feeling @Dashrender is conflating the fact that he quit, with the fact that he started a new company, with the supposition that a company cannot shepherd open source software.
Yes, I think that that is part of it. He was part of the first company, they didn't shepherd well, he'll do the same again. But he was not the shepherd, he was the head sheep upset with the old shepherd.
He might be bad too, but we have no reason to think that he will. We just have to see.
For those who never looked farther..
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That article on Wikipedia mentions his involvement as a co-founder and his CTO role:
"In 2011 Karlitschek co-founded ownCloud Inc. to offer an enterprise version of ownCloud. He served as the CTO and oversaw the product development and community relations."
Those are the same tasks he was doing when it was juts an open source project.
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@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
That article on Wikipedia mentions his involvement as a co-founder and his CTO role:
"In 2011 Karlitschek co-founded ownCloud Inc. to offer an enterprise version of ownCloud. He served as the CTO and oversaw the product development and community relations."
Those are the same tasks he was doing when it was juts an open source project.
You are the one who called him CTO a month ago.
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Its awesome that he came up with so much funding so quickly! And amazing, but not totally surprising, that he did not know how fragile things were at ownCloud.
But I've talked to people at startups who have been there way longer than he was at ownCloud and are very senior and have no idea how precarious everything is.
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@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
Its awesome that he came up with so much funding so quickly! And amazing, but not totally surprising, that he did not know how fragile things were at ownCloud.
But I've talked to people at startups who have been there way longer than he was at ownCloud and are very senior and have no idea how precarious everything is.
A CTO does not have to know about that side of things. But in this case, he left because of the commercialization and lack of openness of ownCloud. One would think he had some kind of idea.
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@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
Its awesome that he came up with so much funding so quickly! And amazing, but not totally surprising, that he did not know how fragile things were at ownCloud.
But I've talked to people at startups who have been there way longer than he was at ownCloud and are very senior and have no idea how precarious everything is.
A CTO does not have to know about that side of things. But in this case, he left because of the commercialization and lack of openness of ownCloud. One would think he had some kind of idea.
Likely an inkling. But knowing the commercialization and lack of openness could be determined by an outsider, knowing how fragile it is might have requires seeing the books and the contracts.
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Guys, good discussion. I don't want to comment on the ownCloud side of things, that's up to them.
If you have questions about us, our goals, our roadmap - yes, watch the video of the hangout Frank and myself did, that's a good one. And on https://nextcloud.com/news are blogs apearing from our employees who share their ideas - ideas we want to get input on and discuss.
We've just started 2 days ago so it will take at least until next month before we can release anything. It will be a drop-in replacement to ease migration and upgrade. After that - well, we have big plans of course.
We are growing our engineering team, many are going to join us the coming months (in germany you have a 1 or 2 month notice time so people working at other companies often take some time to join). We are obviously also looking to hire sales, marketing, support and other people a company needs. Some we have or will join soon but more is welcome and if you're interested in a job at a cool open source company, let us know!
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@jospoortvliet Excited to see what you guys will be doing. I'm assuming that we have a quiet month coming up ... we'll be waiting as we will want to get the new product installed and run through the ringer as soon as possible.
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This is very good news for those of us who were attempting to get OC 9.x.x installed and working. The feeling that OC had already given up on the open source deployment had started to creep in.
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@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
This is very good news for those of us who were attempting to get OC 9.x.x installed and working. The feeling that OC had already given up on the open source deployment had started to creep in.
Version 9 works perfectly fine with PHP 5.4 and 5.6. And any new user can install it that way just fine.
They have sadly not done anything about php 7.
https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/24646
