HUGE news: Nextcloud future of ownCloud!
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@IRJ said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
One of the things Frank seemed to complain about was the opensource community .
I thought that it was the opposite. In his post about why he left it was because the open source community was not getting the necessary respect.
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@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@IRJ said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
I believe the end users will lose on this. A month and a half ago, the main founder leaves the company then becomes CEO of this new company. Sounds like a reboot to me with an agenda to increase profits. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but the end users will pay out of pocket for this. One of the things Frank seemed to complain about was the opensource community .
In the Q&A he says he is doing this specifically because ownCloud was no longer being opensource friendly. He also says he has long been an open source supporter for years.
What does your gut tell you?
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@IRJ said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
What does your gut tell you?
That forking for profit doesn't really work.
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@IRJ said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@IRJ said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
I believe the end users will lose on this. A month and a half ago, the main founder leaves the company then becomes CEO of this new company. Sounds like a reboot to me with an agenda to increase profits. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but the end users will pay out of pocket for this. One of the things Frank seemed to complain about was the opensource community .
In the Q&A he says he is doing this specifically because ownCloud was no longer being opensource friendly. He also says he has long been an open source supporter for years.
What does your gut tell you?
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. He's worked in several open source communities in the past and has been funding/contributing to them all along.
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@IRJ said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@IRJ said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
I believe the end users will lose on this. A month and a half ago, the main founder leaves the company then becomes CEO of this new company. Sounds like a reboot to me with an agenda to increase profits. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but the end users will pay out of pocket for this. One of the things Frank seemed to complain about was the opensource community .
In the Q&A he says he is doing this specifically because ownCloud was no longer being opensource friendly. He also says he has long been an open source supporter for years.
What does your gut tell you?
That he wants to make money selling a wonder box (aka appliance) and make money with support.
But that they fully intend that there will be a single solid Nextcloud product.
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Maybe you guys are right, but time will tell.
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https://karlitschek.de/2016/06/nextcloud/
Interesting blog post about what he plans for the future.
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The official statement from ownCloud.
https://owncloud.com/owncloud-statement-concerning-formation-nextcloud-frank-karlitschek/
Today’s announcement by our former colleague Frank Karlitschek, that he intends to launch a competitive product to ownCloud into the market using recently poached developers, has both surprised us and – admittedly – disappointed us. In the past, Frank has made a wealth of contributions to the development of the ownCloud Community Edition. With today’s announcement, he is no longer related to the ownCloud project and has started a competing community.
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Unfortunately, the announcement has consequences for ownCloud, Inc. based in Lexington, MA. Our main lenders in the US have cancelled our credit. Following American law, we are forced to close the doors of ownCloud, Inc. with immediate effect and terminate the contracts of 8 employees. The ownCloud GmbH is not directly affected by this and the growth of the ownCloud Foundation will remain a key priority. -
Wow, so ownCloud is just... gone. That was incredibly fast.
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@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
Wow, so ownCloud is just... gone. That was incredibly fast.
That is not what it says.
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@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
Wow, so ownCloud is just... gone. That was incredibly fast.
That is not what it says.
It said that ownCloud, Inc. (the US company) is closing its doors. ownCloud Germany will remain.
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@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
Wow, so ownCloud is just... gone. That was incredibly fast.
That is not what it says.
It said that ownCloud, Inc. (the US company) is closing its doors. ownCloud Germany will remain.
Correct. That does not mean
@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
Wow, so ownCloud is just... gone. That was incredibly fast.
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What does the second company do?
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@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
What does the second company do?
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@scottalanmiller did you read the entire statement or only the highlights i posted?
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@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@scottalanmiller did you read the entire statement or only the highlights i posted?
But what does it "do"? Does Germany have development, support or anything useful? Or just European sales?
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@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@scottalanmiller did you read the entire statement or only the highlights i posted?
But what does it "do"? Does Germany have development, support or anything useful? Or just European sales?
They are a private company and do not have to divulge that.
A little basic thought tells us that there are almost certainly devs there. For the same reason the Nextcloud is being started as a German company.
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Additionally, as stated in the ornCloud response linked above, they took to heart (supposedly) the issues with the community and just 2 days ago formed a foundation to be the formal front for the open source ownCloud.
https://owncloud.com/owncloud-announces-formation-owncloud-foundation/ -
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
Additionally, as stated in the ornCloud response linked above, they took to heart (supposedly) the issues with the community and just 2 days ago formed a foundation to be the formal front for the open source ownCloud.
https://owncloud.com/owncloud-announces-formation-owncloud-foundation/Seems like it was a bit late, though. They probably should have done that before everyone quit, rather than afterwards. Better late than never, hopefully. But very late. It's hard to believe that there were no complaints until people just quit.
