I am heartless?
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@Jason said in I am heartless?:
@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
Would you want to find the driver who hit and ran if your child was hit while walking down the road at night with their father?
Same thing.
A dog and a human are not the same thing. This is an animal.
So your argument is that you wouldn't care if your dog was killed while you were walking with it, because it's an animal?
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@Jason said in I am heartless?:
@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
Does it matter if it's a dog a cat or a snake? The pet was family, just like your child is family
Dude, not even the same at all. Don't try to compare animals to a child.
Why not, it's alive, it's aware that it is alive, it feels pain, and it grows up from a baby to an adult. Just because it can lick it's butt hole, and doesn't speak English should mean it's not worth caring about like any other family member.
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If you hit a kid, you get some explaining to do and a high possibility of legal issues. Hitting a dog with a car isn't illegal as far as I know.
If I hit a dog or cat, I would stop to see if it's ok. Things get a little more difficult when the owners are present. You have no clue how they are going to react and stopping may turn into a fist fight or big affair. You never really know how they are going to react to the situation. You can't go back in time and change the outcome and the owners are obviously going to do what they can for the animal? So my question is what does stopping do if the owners are present? nothing
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@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
If you hit a kid, you get some explaining to do and a high possibility of legal issues. Hitting a dog with a car isn't illegal as far as I know.
If I hit a dog or cat, I would stop to see if it's ok. Things get a little more difficult when the owners are present. You have no clue how they are going to react and stopping may turn into a fist fight or big affair. You never really know how they are going to react to the situation. You can't go back in time and change the outcome and the owners are obviously going to do what they can for the animal? So my question is what does stopping do if the owners are present? nothing
Stopping is the legal thing to do, at least in the states. So @IRJ do you stop when you accidentally bump someones car with your car while you're driving?
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I mean come on the damage is done, and they're adults so they can take care of it right?
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@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
If you hit a kid, you get some explaining to do and a high possibility of legal issues. Hitting a dog with a car isn't illegal as far as I know.
If I hit a dog or cat, I would stop to see if it's ok. Things get a little more difficult when the owners are present. You have no clue how they are going to react and stopping may turn into a fist fight or big affair. You never really know how they are going to react to the situation. You can't go back in time and change the outcome and the owners are obviously going to do what they can for the animal? So my question is what does stopping do if the owners are present? nothing
Stopping is the legal thing to do, at least in the states. So @IRJ do you stop when you accidentally bump someones car with your car while you're driving?
Again that is totally different than hitting an animal. You are really out in left field with these comparisons
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@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
Stopping is the legal thing to do, at least in the states.
Only if it's a dog, and the reason is stupid. Dogs are consider "property".
Cats you can run over all day and drive off (legally, anyways)
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That's my point @aaronstuder, if you cause property damage you have to stop.
Dogs are property, that is alive.
So why does @IRJ think it's ok to keep going on with his day?
I wonder if @RamblingBiped has anything on the topic.
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@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
If you hit a kid, you get some explaining to do and a high possibility of legal issues. Hitting a dog with a car isn't illegal as far as I know.
If I hit a dog or cat, I would stop to see if it's ok. Things get a little more difficult when the owners are present. You have no clue how they are going to react and stopping may turn into a fist fight or big affair. You never really know how they are going to react to the situation. You can't go back in time and change the outcome and the owners are obviously going to do what they can for the animal? So my question is what does stopping do if the owners are present? nothing
Stopping is the legal thing to do, at least in the states. So @IRJ do you stop when you accidentally bump someones car with your car while you're driving?
Again that is totally different than hitting an animal. You are really out in left field with these comparisons
Left field my ass. Let someone run over your dog with their car and see if you don't want to find out who did it.
You're full of shit if you think you wouldn't.
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@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
If you hit a kid, you get some explaining to do and a high possibility of legal issues. Hitting a dog with a car isn't illegal as far as I know.
If I hit a dog or cat, I would stop to see if it's ok. Things get a little more difficult when the owners are present. You have no clue how they are going to react and stopping may turn into a fist fight or big affair. You never really know how they are going to react to the situation. You can't go back in time and change the outcome and the owners are obviously going to do what they can for the animal? So my question is what does stopping do if the owners are present? nothing
Stopping is the legal thing to do, at least in the states. So @IRJ do you stop when you accidentally bump someones car with your car while you're driving?
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I mean come on the damage is done, and they're adults so they can take care of it right?
</st>What possible help can you offer? you are driving at night and all the sudden a dog runs out in front of you. boom you hit it. It isnt your fault, but now you stop and all the sudden you have a confrontation.
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@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
If you hit a kid, you get some explaining to do and a high possibility of legal issues. Hitting a dog with a car isn't illegal as far as I know.
If I hit a dog or cat, I would stop to see if it's ok. Things get a little more difficult when the owners are present. You have no clue how they are going to react and stopping may turn into a fist fight or big affair. You never really know how they are going to react to the situation. You can't go back in time and change the outcome and the owners are obviously going to do what they can for the animal? So my question is what does stopping do if the owners are present? nothing
Stopping is the legal thing to do, at least in the states. So @IRJ do you stop when you accidentally bump someones car with your car while you're driving?
<sarcastic tone>
I mean come on the damage is done, and they're adults so they can take care of it right?
</st>What possible help can you offer? you are driving at night and all the sudden a child runs out in front of you. boom you hit it. It isnt your fault, but now you stop and all the sudden you have a confrontation.
I replaced dog with child. Tell me how you aren't responsible enough to stop in this case. Honestly.
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@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
If you hit a kid, you get some explaining to do and a high possibility of legal issues. Hitting a dog with a car isn't illegal as far as I know.
If I hit a dog or cat, I would stop to see if it's ok. Things get a little more difficult when the owners are present. You have no clue how they are going to react and stopping may turn into a fist fight or big affair. You never really know how they are going to react to the situation. You can't go back in time and change the outcome and the owners are obviously going to do what they can for the animal? So my question is what does stopping do if the owners are present? nothing
Stopping is the legal thing to do, at least in the states. So @IRJ do you stop when you accidentally bump someones car with your car while you're driving?
Again that is totally different than hitting an animal. You are really out in left field with these comparisons
Left field my ass. Let someone run over your dog with their car and see if you don't want to find out who did it.
You're full of shit if you think you wouldn't.
You're acting like the drive went off road in rage and plowed over the dog, then went in reverse over it again and repeated this process 10 times. It was at night on a road with a fast speed limit and the dog wasnt on a leash.
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@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
If you hit a kid, you get some explaining to do and a high possibility of legal issues. Hitting a dog with a car isn't illegal as far as I know.
If I hit a dog or cat, I would stop to see if it's ok. Things get a little more difficult when the owners are present. You have no clue how they are going to react and stopping may turn into a fist fight or big affair. You never really know how they are going to react to the situation. You can't go back in time and change the outcome and the owners are obviously going to do what they can for the animal? So my question is what does stopping do if the owners are present? nothing
Stopping is the legal thing to do, at least in the states. So @IRJ do you stop when you accidentally bump someones car with your car while you're driving?
Again that is totally different than hitting an animal. You are really out in left field with these comparisons
Left field my ass. Let someone run over your dog with their car and see if you don't want to find out who did it.
You're full of shit if you think you wouldn't.
You're acting like the drive went off road in rage and plowed over the dog, then went in reverse over it again and repeated this process 10 times. It was at night on a road with a fast speed limit and the dog wasnt on a leash.
No I'm not.
I'm acting like a responsible being who, if I hurt something living that I'd at least stop to see if I could provide any kind of help at all.
Like taking the owner and animal to an emergency center to try and saves the dogs life rather than being a cunt and just darting away.
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@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
If you hit a kid, you get some explaining to do and a high possibility of legal issues. Hitting a dog with a car isn't illegal as far as I know.
If I hit a dog or cat, I would stop to see if it's ok. Things get a little more difficult when the owners are present. You have no clue how they are going to react and stopping may turn into a fist fight or big affair. You never really know how they are going to react to the situation. You can't go back in time and change the outcome and the owners are obviously going to do what they can for the animal? So my question is what does stopping do if the owners are present? nothing
Stopping is the legal thing to do, at least in the states. So @IRJ do you stop when you accidentally bump someones car with your car while you're driving?
<sarcastic tone>
I mean come on the damage is done, and they're adults so they can take care of it right?
</st>What possible help can you offer? you are driving at night and all the sudden a child runs out in front of you. boom you hit it. It isnt your fault, but now you stop and all the sudden you have a confrontation.
I replaced dog with child. Tell me how you aren't responsible enough to stop in this case. Honestly.
Once again they aren't even close to the same thing.
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@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
@DustinB3403 said in I am heartless?:
@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
If you hit a kid, you get some explaining to do and a high possibility of legal issues. Hitting a dog with a car isn't illegal as far as I know.
If I hit a dog or cat, I would stop to see if it's ok. Things get a little more difficult when the owners are present. You have no clue how they are going to react and stopping may turn into a fist fight or big affair. You never really know how they are going to react to the situation. You can't go back in time and change the outcome and the owners are obviously going to do what they can for the animal? So my question is what does stopping do if the owners are present? nothing
Stopping is the legal thing to do, at least in the states. So @IRJ do you stop when you accidentally bump someones car with your car while you're driving?
<sarcastic tone>
I mean come on the damage is done, and they're adults so they can take care of it right?
</st>What possible help can you offer? you are driving at night and all the sudden a child runs out in front of you. boom you hit it. It isnt your fault, but now you stop and all the sudden you have a confrontation.
I replaced dog with child. Tell me how you aren't responsible enough to stop in this case. Honestly.
Once again they aren't even close to the same thing.
Do children not need hospital service when they get hit by a car?
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You've used 3 totally different scenarios interchangeably in your argument.
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Hitting a dog with a vehicle.
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Hitting a child with a vehicle .
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Hitting another vehicle with a vehicle.
None of those 3 are even close to being the same thing.
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@IRJ said in I am heartless?:
You've used 3 totally different scenarios interchangeably in your argument.
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Hitting a dog with a vehicle.
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Hitting a child with a vehicle .
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Hitting another vehicle with a vehicle.
None of those 3 are even close to being the same thing.
They all carry your responsibility of being a human adult of checking out how bad the situation is and not driving off as if nothing occurred.
Even if you aren't at fault for the dog being in the walk way, you still have to stop and see what the hell happened.
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If you hit an animal or anything else with a vehicle you stop and check to see what you hit. If you don't, you might as well be committing vehicular manslaughter, especially if it is on a road that is dark enough the driver couldn't discern WHAT he/she hit.
If you hit an animal and your first reaction isn't to stop and see what you hit, and subsequently try to help the animal if it is a pet, you're probably an asshole. All legal obligations aside, I'd hope you have a moral obligation to ensure the well being of any living thing that you might inadvertently cause harm to. People incapable of empathy toward animals are a waste of space.
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Should he have stopped, yes.
Can you compare this to a child - HELL No. I agree with Aaron in this case, no reason to feel sorry for them.
If they are out walking at night next to a highway and allow your child to be walking many feet away from you out of your control, I don't feel bad for you either, in fact I blame YOU for allowing that situation to exist. The same goes for the dog... you (the people in the story) were the idiots who allowed their dog to run free while on what they KNOW is a busy street.
Have some personal liability please!
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Something that people need to understand... this is Europe, not the US. Putting a dog on a leash is an unusual thing here. Dogs in the road is very common, you have to avoid them when driving. Cattle, kids, goats, chickens, horses, carts... all common. Drivers need to be more alert. It's hard to avoid everything, but it isn't the US where you assume that it is the job of people to keep animals off of the road, the assumption is that drivers need to avoid all things in the road.
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@scottalanmiller said in I am heartless?:
Something that people need to understand... this is Europe, not the US. Putting a dog on a leash is an unusual thing here. Dogs in the road is very common, you have to avoid them when driving. Cattle, kids, goats, chickens, horses, carts... all common. Drivers need to be more alert. It's hard to avoid everything, but it isn't the US where you assume that it is the job of people to keep animals off of the road, the assumption is that drivers need to avoid all things in the road.
Well that changes things severely.
