Breaking Encrption on DVDs
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@aaronstuder said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
@scottalanmiller said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
Sure, that's common. The question becomes... how many can view it at the same time.
The video is only shown by our safety person in the conferance room during training. There could be up to 12 people in there, but they all work for the company.
That sounds fine. It's the network share and how many different display units can show it at once is the bigger concern, I think.
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@scottalanmiller I understand what your saying. I guess what I am saying it, what different does it make if 30 people watch it 30 times, or 30 people watch it 1 time? And if the 30 people aren't watching them it at the same time, then that's OK? How is that any different then 30 people in a conference room? All 30 people are watching it at the same time.....In this case, no ones know where the videos are located besides the safety person (and myself), but I get what your saying. There is a chance someone could stumble on them.
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@aaronstuder said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
@scottalanmiller I understand what your saying. I guess what I am saying it, what different does it make if 30 people watch it 30 times, or 30 people watch it 1 time? And if the 30 people aren't watching them it at the same time, then that's OK? In this case, no ones know where the videos are located besides the safety person (and myself), but I get what your saying. There is a chance someone could stumble on them.
No one is saying that the existing laws make sense. You cannot just break the law because you do not like it. Well you can, but then you also are accepting the penalty if caught.
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@JaredBusch said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
No one is saying that the existing laws make sense. You cannot just break the law because you do not like it. Well you can, but then you also are accepting the penalty if caught.
I have never seen someone get in trouble for copyright laws unless they are selling or distributing copyrighted works.
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@aaronstuder said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
@scottalanmiller I understand what your saying. I guess what I am saying it, what different does it make if 30 people watch it 30 times, or 30 people watch it 1 time?
The difference is licensed or not licensed.
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@aaronstuder said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
In this case, no ones know where the videos are located besides the safety person (and myself), but I get what your saying. There is a chance someone could stumble on them.
If people don't know that they are there and they aren't being used concurrently, it sounds fine. That they are accessible over the network is not the same as them being accessed over the network. So, to me, that sounds acceptable. But, of course, proving that it was only not used concurrently might be difficult.
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@aaronstuder said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
@JaredBusch said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
No one is saying that the existing laws make sense. You cannot just break the law because you do not like it. Well you can, but then you also are accepting the penalty if caught.
I have never seen someone get in trouble for copyright laws unless they are selling or distributing copyrighted works.
Ever heard of a Microsoft audit? VMware audit?
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@aaronstuder said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
@scottalanmiller You mixing DVD Movie's and software. Let's stay on topic,
No, it is all about licensing. His statement is 100% on target.
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@aaronstuder said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
@scottalanmiller You mixing DVD Movie's and software. Let's stay on topic,
The enforcement rate for media piracy is far far higher than the enforcement rate for dodgy software. You can thank the big Hollywood conglomerates for that.
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@Breffni-Potter Yup
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@Breffni-Potter said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
@aaronstuder said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
@scottalanmiller You mixing DVD Movie's and software. Let's stay on topic,
The enforcement rate for media piracy is far far higher than the enforcement rate for dodgy software. You can thank the big Hollywood conglomerates for that.
And yet... whole neighbourhoods of NYC are nothing but pirated movies being sold on the street and no one cares. It's bizarre how it is such a massive, public black market that you could arrest people non-stop for doing, but no one cares. But your download one movie online and you go to jail, or whatever. They go after the viewers, not the companies making the money, disproportionately.
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@scottalanmiller said
And yet... whole neighbourhoods of NYC are nothing but pirated movies being sold on the street and no one cares. It's bizarre how it is such a massive, public black market that you could arrest people non-stop for doing, but no one cares.
It's a money making racket by Hollywood.
If you want to keep fining people, don't touch the suppliers. They could not care less about it, they just want the reoccurring revenues either from sales or fines.
What makes me more money? fining someone $300 or getting them to buy a movie for $8.
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I would say by Hollywood labels.. Not the movies and people themselves. Hollywood is much like the music industry 90% of the money stays with the distributor.
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@scottalanmiller said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
But your download one movie online and you go to jail, or whatever.
Not if you know what your doing
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@aaronstuder said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
@scottalanmiller said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
But your download one movie online and you go to jail, or whatever.
Not if you know what your doing
Murder's say that too.
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@Jason said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
@aaronstuder said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
@scottalanmiller said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
But your download one movie online and you go to jail, or whatever.
Not if you know what your doing
Murder's say that too.
And I suppose it is true in both cases.
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This is a tough one. The law is confusing and chances are you won't get caught, but I agree that your best option is to check with the vendor and see what they offer an online solution. I would guess that midway through 2016 most vendors do offer a solution. If they don't offer a solution you have two options.
- Find another vendor who offers similar content in an online delivery method
- Copy the DVD to your network and you'll probably be ok.
Obviously option 1 is better.
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@IRJ said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
This is a tough one. The law is confusing and chances are you won't get caught, but I agree that your best option is to check with the vendor and see what they offer an online solution. I would guess that midway through 2016 most vendors do offer a solution. If they don't offer a solution you have two options.
- Find another vendor who offers similar content in an online delivery method
- Copy the DVD to your network and you'll probably be ok.
Obviously option 1 is better.
Problem is that is repaying for it all. That could be $100,000 per site easily. These 4-30min DVDs cost any where from $500 - $3,000 a pop. Not that we wouldn't spend that but if we can copy them to a legally Laptop vs $100,000 we will do that.
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@Jason said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
@IRJ said in Breaking Encrption on DVDs:
This is a tough one. The law is confusing and chances are you won't get caught, but I agree that your best option is to check with the vendor and see what they offer an online solution. I would guess that midway through 2016 most vendors do offer a solution. If they don't offer a solution you have two options.
- Find another vendor who offers similar content in an online delivery method
- Copy the DVD to your network and you'll probably be ok.
Obviously option 1 is better.
Problem is that is repaying for it all. That could be $100,000 per site easily. These 4-30min DVDs cost any where from $500 - $3,000 a pop. Not that we wouldn't spend that but if we can copy them to a legally Laptop vs $100,000 we will do that.
Well, according to Scott's argument that the DVD itself then becomes the backup, and the in use image is the copy on the laptop - I'd say you're probably OK - other than of course the Library of Congress' feeling of the week, wither or not it's legal or not to break the encryption.. lol
