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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
First off, if you've ever seen a map at all you would know that NY is further than Memphis. So either they lied or you're exaggerating.
They really had no idea. My wife can't read a map either. Tons of people can't. They had literally no idea where things were. They had zero concept of what the US looked like or how big it was. Zero, zip, none. Neither of them had ever left Texas, so their idea of the outside world was very skewed.
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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
And yet there are people that walk across the country and can accomplish those things.
Normally people who train, have equipment and some access to money and, very importantly, can read maps. The average person, with no money and no idea where things are, could not do that.
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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
None of those, other than the trailer, would be able to get internet through this venue anyway. And if you only have $2 to your name, what do you do with the "free internet" that you've been given? You need the ability to purchase something to use it.
This is true, but people generally have phones. Even in the poorest areas of Africa, people have phones. There are still people so poor that they don't have that, but at least if you get Internet everywhere, then people have reasons to have access devices, can use the myriad free ones thrown away every day (I've worked with programs getting free computers to the poor so that kids could get online) or have closer neighbours that do have access.
Trailers can get it, so can people living on farms.
And in any area where you argue that people can access a library, you can have free wifi.
In my wife's village in NY, which has a library, also has 100% free Internet for everyone in the village, even the homeless (there are none, but in theory.)
So they did both and the Internet was so cheap that it wasn't even a budget discussion. It was trivial to do. But, same as the libraries, only addresses people rich enough to live in a village.
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In many cases, things could be much simpler. What if Internet was free? That means that wifi could be shared. So let's look at where my dad lives, very rural. He has neighbours. Instead of running a line to everyone on the street, they need only run it to his house (he can afford a wired connection) and there could be wireless from there. It would be very far and slow, but he's on high ground and can see several houses within a mile. They could all get wireless from his one drop.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
First off, if you've ever seen a map at all you would know that NY is further than Memphis. So either they lied or you're exaggerating.
They really had no idea. My wife can't read a map either. Tons of people can't. They had literally no idea where things were. They had zero concept of what the US looked like or how big it was. Zero, zip, none. Neither of them had ever left Texas, so their idea of the outside world was very skewed.
Nope. This doesn't take any skills to read a US map other than the fact that you need to know what words are. You can clearly see that New York is much further than Tennessee.
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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Nope. This doesn't take any skills to read a US map other than the fact that you need to know what words are. You can clearly see that New York is much further than Tennessee.
But they didnt know where Tennessee was either. Knowing that NY is beyond Tennessee is useless if you think Tennessee is just twenty minutes away. Memphis was farther than they thought NY was. In absolute terms they thought NY was closer than Memphis was. In relationship terms they knew NY was on the other side of it. They didn't understand the scale of the country. They thought Canada was only about five hours north of Texas.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Nope. This doesn't take any skills to read a US map other than the fact that you need to know what words are. You can clearly see that New York is much further than Tennessee.
But they didnt know where Tennessee was either. Knowing that NY is beyond Tennessee is useless if you think Tennessee is just twenty minutes away. Memphis was farther than they thought NY was. In absolute terms they thought NY was closer than Memphis was. In relationship terms they knew NY was on the other side of it. They didn't understand the scale of the country. They thought Canada was only about five hours north of Texas.
Again, if you've ever seen that picture, you know where things are. And if you are that clueless you could just ask, before you begin your trip.
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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Nope. This doesn't take any skills to read a US map other than the fact that you need to know what words are. You can clearly see that New York is much further than Tennessee.
But they didnt know where Tennessee was either. Knowing that NY is beyond Tennessee is useless if you think Tennessee is just twenty minutes away. Memphis was farther than they thought NY was. In absolute terms they thought NY was closer than Memphis was. In relationship terms they knew NY was on the other side of it. They didn't understand the scale of the country. They thought Canada was only about five hours north of Texas.
Again, if you've ever seen that picture, you know where things are. And if you are that clueless you could just ask, before you begin your trip.
But how does seeing that picture help them understand the scale? If you can't read a map and don't have that spacial ability, and TONS of people do not, it's useless. They can't tell that NY is 27 hours away (it was) or as close as Memphis.
In fact MOST people can't gauge distance like that well. If you can, you are in the minority.
You are caught up on the fact that you know where these things are. They didn't even know where the Texas border was. Their idea of distances was totally messed up.
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I think the original wording was poor and confused you. Let me reword the original sentence for clarity.
They thought that NY was closer to them than in reality Memphis actually was.
Meaning... they thought Memphis was less than an hour away from Texas and that NY was less than five hours from Texas. but they knew that NY was farther than Memphis, but because they thought that Memphis was only a really long walk away, NY seemed like it was so close that it would have been closer than Memphis actually was.
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Basically, by the time that we were approaching the Mississippi, they were confused as to why they were not seeing the buildings in Manhattan because we had "driven longer than it should take to get to NY."
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Even after getting them to NYC and up to Rome, NY (go look at THAT distance on a map) they could not understand that they were not in New York City. They were in a tiny city, in rural NY, surrounded by fields, and as far from NYC as they thought originally that NYC was from Texas... and they would keep asking people "what borough they were in.. is this the Bronx?"
Their lack of geographic understanding, scale and maps was so extreme that even observation could not make them understand where they were or had been. Once you lack all of that background, you are really lost. We are all so used to undestanding those things that it is hard to realize that people do not.
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So again this is nothing but them not paying attention. They sent their kid to New York but thought it was only 5 hours away. So they couldn't have paid any attention during that process. And again, it's as simple as walking up to someone and saying "How far away is New York?"
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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
So again this is nothing but them not paying attention. They sent their kid to New York but thought it was only 5 hours away. So they couldn't have paid any attention during that process. And again, it's as simple as walking up to someone and saying "How far away is New York?"
It's not. You feel that way because you know already. We are talking about seriously uneducated, unexperienced people. They ask a LOT of people where NY was and got a lot of different information. No amount of me explaining distances made them really believe it. They just thought it was exaggeration or that I was wrong or whatever.
Think about all the people posting on SW who thing RAID 5 is "standard and the only reasonable thing" or that SAN is the only way to have their two node server cluster for HA. They ask, we can show logic, math, common sense, cost, thousands of threads, where it is insanely obvious that they are wrong and yet.. less than half of the time do they internalize what is said.
And these are educated IT pros. You can't possibly expect more from the average, homeless person hitchhking to see their daughter that had to be sent away because they were so poor!
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Given that they probably spent the majority of their lives also surrounded by people who had never left Texas, getting a lifetime of misinformation about distance or travel time is probably common. I've been to high school parties that I have chaperoned in TX and overheard whole groups of affluent kids talking about how they'd never left the county, or the metro area. More had never left the state than had. Only those related to me had ever been out of the south. None had left the country.
And these were really rich kids. Kids from top notch schools and high end neighbourhoods.
Imagine what the poor have to work with!
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@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
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@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
Is zero PTO legal? even for a part time employee? Damn you're totally getting screwed bro!
I never had PTO until my current job even as full time. No unpaid time off either at the full time ones. part time of course had unpaid time off
Wow... again, where were these places so we can boycott them?
You going to boycott local government and the US government?
Luckily I work for a great Fortune 100 now, I can work from home when I want (which I rarely do) we go to any doctors appts, eye exams, etc while being paid etc. (Healthly employees are happy good working employees)
Who do you work for?
I don't post that online, when you work for large companies that's a good way to get fired.. Sales people like stalking you and will do anything to get sales... Including blackmail and false information
Fair enough. My curiosity stemmed from always looking for a better place to work. The place you work at sounds like a dream with the kind of health care benefits you're receiving.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Nope. This doesn't take any skills to read a US map other than the fact that you need to know what words are. You can clearly see that New York is much further than Tennessee.
But they didnt know where Tennessee was either. Knowing that NY is beyond Tennessee is useless if you think Tennessee is just twenty minutes away. Memphis was farther than they thought NY was. In absolute terms they thought NY was closer than Memphis was. In relationship terms they knew NY was on the other side of it. They didn't understand the scale of the country. They thought Canada was only about five hours north of Texas.
Again, if you've ever seen that picture, you know where things are. And if you are that clueless you could just ask, before you begin your trip.
But how does seeing that picture help them understand the scale? If you can't read a map and don't have that spacial ability, and TONS of people do not, it's useless. They can't tell that NY is 27 hours away (it was) or as close as Memphis.
In fact MOST people can't gauge distance like that well. If you can, you are in the minority.
You are caught up on the fact that you know where these things are. They didn't even know where the Texas border was. Their idea of distances was totally messed up.
Looking at the map, even without specific distances, with a string you could tell that NY is like 1.6 time as far as Memphis.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
So again this is nothing but them not paying attention. They sent their kid to New York but thought it was only 5 hours away. So they couldn't have paid any attention during that process. And again, it's as simple as walking up to someone and saying "How far away is New York?"
It's not. You feel that way because you know already. We are talking about seriously uneducated, unexperienced people. They ask a LOT of people where NY was and got a lot of different information. No amount of me explaining distances made them really believe it. They just thought it was exaggeration or that I was wrong or whatever.
Think about all the people posting on SW who thing RAID 5 is "standard and the only reasonable thing" or that SAN is the only way to have their two node server cluster for HA. They ask, we can show logic, math, common sense, cost, thousands of threads, where it is insanely obvious that they are wrong and yet.. less than half of the time do they internalize what is said.
And these are educated IT pros. You can't possibly expect more from the average, homeless person hitchhking to see their daughter that had to be sent away because they were so poor!
So they were being willfully ignorant. If you ask a question whether on the Internet or in person and refuse to believe what the person is telling you then there is no excuse.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
Even after getting them to NYC and up to Rome, NY (go look at THAT distance on a map) they could not understand that they were not in New York City. They were in a tiny city, in rural NY, surrounded by fields, and as far from NYC as they thought originally that NYC was from Texas... and they would keep asking people "what borough they were in.. is this the Bronx?"
Their lack of geographic understanding, scale and maps was so extreme that even observation could not make them understand where they were or had been. Once you lack all of that background, you are really lost. We are all so used to undestanding those things that it is hard to realize that people do not.
Good or bad, I've personally never had enough of a conversation with someone to realize they were at that low of an understanding of geography.... just wow!
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@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Nope. This doesn't take any skills to read a US map other than the fact that you need to know what words are. You can clearly see that New York is much further than Tennessee.
But they didnt know where Tennessee was either. Knowing that NY is beyond Tennessee is useless if you think Tennessee is just twenty minutes away. Memphis was farther than they thought NY was. In absolute terms they thought NY was closer than Memphis was. In relationship terms they knew NY was on the other side of it. They didn't understand the scale of the country. They thought Canada was only about five hours north of Texas.
Again, if you've ever seen that picture, you know where things are. And if you are that clueless you could just ask, before you begin your trip.
But how does seeing that picture help them understand the scale? If you can't read a map and don't have that spacial ability, and TONS of people do not, it's useless. They can't tell that NY is 27 hours away (it was) or as close as Memphis.
In fact MOST people can't gauge distance like that well. If you can, you are in the minority.
You are caught up on the fact that you know where these things are. They didn't even know where the Texas border was. Their idea of distances was totally messed up.
Looking at the map, even without specific distances, with a string you could tell that NY is like 1.6 time as far as Memphis.
Sure, but as I keep pointing out, that's not relevant and based on a misunderstanding of what I said. They DID know that it was farther, bu tthey thought that memphis was "around the corner."
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@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
Even after getting them to NYC and up to Rome, NY (go look at THAT distance on a map) they could not understand that they were not in New York City. They were in a tiny city, in rural NY, surrounded by fields, and as far from NYC as they thought originally that NYC was from Texas... and they would keep asking people "what borough they were in.. is this the Bronx?"
Their lack of geographic understanding, scale and maps was so extreme that even observation could not make them understand where they were or had been. Once you lack all of that background, you are really lost. We are all so used to undestanding those things that it is hard to realize that people do not.
Good or bad, I've personally never had enough of a conversation with someone to realize they were at that low of an understanding of geography.... just wow!
I've met a lot. These guys were on the extreme end, but I've know a number of homeless (these guys were only homeless a day or two, not as a lifestyle) and it is pretty common in the extreme poor end of things. When maps and travel simply don't exist to you, understanding distance, time, cost... it's all things that don't apply to you.
