Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized
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@wirestyle22 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@MattSpeller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@wirestyle22 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@wirestyle22 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
I've seen similar on clean installs. Mount them to a linux system and format the drives. I just had to do this for my mother this past weekend in fact.
She has stuff on this she wants to keep. I don't see how it's going to be possible to retrieve all of it. (lack of knowledge here)
Linux LiveCD can often see them.
Yeah I made one and can boot from other PC's but this one laptop will not boot. From the information given right before the windows 10 installation they were watching DVD's. Now it isnt recognizing it as bootable media for some reason.
Sounds like UEFI garbage in BIOS (if laptops are reasonably new)
I changed to legacy, UEFI, defaulted, disabled safeboot, etc. Nothing has worked. It's really weird.
That's f'd up man, I dunno what to tell you
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@MattSpeller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@wirestyle22 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@MattSpeller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@wirestyle22 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@wirestyle22 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
I've seen similar on clean installs. Mount them to a linux system and format the drives. I just had to do this for my mother this past weekend in fact.
She has stuff on this she wants to keep. I don't see how it's going to be possible to retrieve all of it. (lack of knowledge here)
Linux LiveCD can often see them.
Yeah I made one and can boot from other PC's but this one laptop will not boot. From the information given right before the windows 10 installation they were watching DVD's. Now it isnt recognizing it as bootable media for some reason.
Sounds like UEFI garbage in BIOS (if laptops are reasonably new)
I changed to legacy, UEFI, defaulted, disabled safeboot, etc. Nothing has worked. It's really weird.
That's f'd up man, I dunno what to tell you
I don't even know what to tell myself. I'm like, oh I'll just format no big deal. Nope.
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@wirestyle22 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@MattSpeller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@wirestyle22 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@MattSpeller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@wirestyle22 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@wirestyle22 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
I've seen similar on clean installs. Mount them to a linux system and format the drives. I just had to do this for my mother this past weekend in fact.
She has stuff on this she wants to keep. I don't see how it's going to be possible to retrieve all of it. (lack of knowledge here)
Linux LiveCD can often see them.
Yeah I made one and can boot from other PC's but this one laptop will not boot. From the information given right before the windows 10 installation they were watching DVD's. Now it isnt recognizing it as bootable media for some reason.
Sounds like UEFI garbage in BIOS (if laptops are reasonably new)
I changed to legacy, UEFI, defaulted, disabled safeboot, etc. Nothing has worked. It's really weird.
That's f'd up man, I dunno what to tell you
I don't even know what to tell myself. I'm like, oh I'll just format no big deal. Nope.
maybe try a complete bios reset?
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This definitely sounds like a BIOS issue. Sounds like the Windows update messed with the BIOS.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
This definitely sounds like a BIOS issue. Sounds like the Windows update messed with the BIOS.
When have you actually seen a windows update break BIOS?
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@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
This definitely sounds like a BIOS issue. Sounds like the Windows update messed with the BIOS.
When have you actually seen a windows update break BIOS?
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@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
This definitely sounds like a BIOS issue. Sounds like the Windows update messed with the BIOS.
When have you actually seen a windows update break BIOS?
I know, it's weird, but for this to happen on two machines... something funky is going on.
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@MattSpeller those are BIOS updates, not Windows updates.
There is a difference.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
This definitely sounds like a BIOS issue. Sounds like the Windows update messed with the BIOS.
When have you actually seen a windows update break BIOS?
I know, it's weird, but for this to happen on two machines... something funky is going on.
I'll try to flash the bios to verify.
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@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@MattSpeller those are BIOS updates, not Windows updates.
There is a difference.
Semantically, maybe, but if they both change settings in the same hardware (bios)....
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@MattSpeller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@MattSpeller those are BIOS updates, not Windows updates.
There is a difference.
Semantically, maybe, but if they both change settings in the same hardware (bios)....
The hardware isn't the same actually. One is a Sony Vaio and the other is a Dell Inspiron
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@MattSpeller It's not really semantics.
One is a BIOS update delivered by Windows Update, the others are Windows Updates..
lol sorry I'm just calling BS on that.
Even if MS is making the BIOS patch, it's still not a Windows Update. That's confusing the provider of the update, and the target of the update.
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@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@MattSpeller It's not really semantics.
One is a BIOS update delivered by Windows Update, the others are Windows Updates..
lol sorry I'm just calling BS on that.
Even if MS is making the BIOS patch, it's still not a Windows Update. That's confusing the provider of the update, and the target of the update.
lol I'll stand my ground but this is definitely a bit silly
If it comes from windows update and it alters the bios, I would blame MS if it failed. It's a windows update. MS does not separate out any type of update and I won't either. (ex: .net updates are windows updates, office updates are windows updates)
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I have to agree with @MattSpeller on this one, Windows Update's products are windows updates and all fault with them lies with Microsoft. We don't know that that is what happened here yet, but it sounds like it.
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Microsoft often gets system patches from hardware manufacturers that they push out through Windows Updates.
So how is MS at fault?
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@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
Microsoft often gets system patches from hardware manufacturers that they push out through Windows Updates.
So how is MS at fault?
Dammit Dustin, hop on board the MS hate train! It's easy and we have cookies
Honestly though lol if it comes from windows update there's no one to blame but MS. Either they didn't test it well enough or .... some other cluster F that escapes me. But the TL;DR here is there is no one else to stick it to if MS rubber stamped it and put it on WU.
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@MattSpeller said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
Microsoft often gets system patches from hardware manufacturers that they push out through Windows Updates.
So how is MS at fault?
Dammit Dustin, hop on board the MS hate train! It's easy and we have cookies
Honestly though lol if it comes from windows update there's no one to blame but MS. Either they didn't test it well enough or .... some other cluster F that escapes me. But the TL;DR here is there is no one else to stick it to if MS rubber stamped it and put it on WU.
If the bios flash works then its a safe bet
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Sorry devils advocate here, I think we had a discussion like this a while back with Lenovo.
Is it Lenovo's fault for not quality controlling the shit-ware they were paid to install into their systems? Or the software manufacturers who built the shit-ware in the first place at fault.
What levels does MS have to go through, how far of testing?
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@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Update -- Hard Drive No Longer Recognized:
Sorry devils advocate here, I think we had a discussion like this a while back with Lenovo.
Is it Lenovo's fault for not quality controlling the shit-ware they were paid to install into their systems? Or the software manufacturers who built the shit-ware in the first place at fault.
What levels does MS have to go through, how far of testing?
If you're packaging it with your own software you have at least some of the blame. I'd honestly say both.
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@wirestyle22 Of course, but the BIOS isn't really MS's beast is it.
Sure MS has some blame, but you don't sue a car maker for a drunk driver killing your family do you?
You sue the drunk.
Edit: you only sue the car manufacturer if you have some leg to stand on, like known faulty seat belts or something.
