Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti
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@Jason said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Jason said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@coliver said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Jason said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
I can get gigabit at my house in the middle of no where. Right now I'm just on the 150Meg plan though (software limited, it can be bumped up to a gigabit with a simple call).
Lucky. What is the cost of that?
150meg is $60, gigabit is $120. 2gig is $300. I don't think my CPE will handle 2 gig though.
Who offers 2Gb/s for residential?
Pretty much everyone? There's a Fiber OANs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-access_network) here all along any main roads though so maybe we are just spolied.
I've never seen it offered before, anywhere. Even single Gig is pretty hard to find in residential still.
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@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Jason said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Jason said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@coliver said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Jason said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
I can get gigabit at my house in the middle of no where. Right now I'm just on the 150Meg plan though (software limited, it can be bumped up to a gigabit with a simple call).
Lucky. What is the cost of that?
150meg is $60, gigabit is $120. 2gig is $300. I don't think my CPE will handle 2 gig though.
Who offers 2Gb/s for residential?
Pretty much everyone? There's a Fiber OANs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-access_network) here all along any main roads though so maybe we are just spolied.
I've never seen it offered before, anywhere. Even single Gig is pretty hard to find in residential still.
I know of no service offering residential service greater than gigabit.
I am sure that it exists, but not as a normal advertised service. -
@JaredBusch said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Jason said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Jason said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@coliver said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Jason said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
I can get gigabit at my house in the middle of no where. Right now I'm just on the 150Meg plan though (software limited, it can be bumped up to a gigabit with a simple call).
Lucky. What is the cost of that?
150meg is $60, gigabit is $120. 2gig is $300. I don't think my CPE will handle 2 gig though.
Who offers 2Gb/s for residential?
Pretty much everyone? There's a Fiber OANs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-access_network) here all along any main roads though so maybe we are just spolied.
I've never seen it offered before, anywhere. Even single Gig is pretty hard to find in residential still.
I know of no service offering residential service greater than gigabit.
I am sure that it exists, but not as a normal advertised service.Rant start
One Community has fiber all over NE Ohio, but limits who can actually use it. What's the point of building out publicly accessible fiber if you make it difficult to access/use? I've literally got 40Gb fiber running THROUGH MY FRONT YARD, yet the best speed the local internet providers offer is 50Mb/3Mb. Up until last year it was 20Mb/1.5Mb. They've even got ~5 miles of 100Gb available up in Cleveland.So yeah, lots of available fiber, no residential service!
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Back to the original topic - I have one of the regular Unifi UAP units, which was working fine until the 2.4ghz spectrum got too crowded. All the channels are clogged and I'm now barely clearing 2-5Mbps. I thought that would be a thing of the past with a regular house, but there's too much wifi in the neighborhood. I'm now upgrading to the AC Lite which has 2.4 and 5ghz bands. We'll see how that goes. Some people have recommended Open Mesh to me as well:
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Oh and I highly recommend powerline Ethernet, as I have the whole house wired on that:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CUD1M66/For anything that is near a plug and doesn't move, I pop one of those in place and I get great throughput. The only things on wireless are phones, tablets and laptops.
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I used powerline Ethernet around 2001.
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@Nic said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
Oh and I highly recommend powerline Ethernet, as I have the whole house wired on that:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CUD1M66/For anything that is near a plug and doesn't move, I pop one of those in place and I get great throughput. The only things on wireless are phones, tablets and laptops.
For the PowerLine ethernet to work, is it still a requirement that both of the Powerline adapters be on the same circuit?
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@dafyre said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Nic said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
Oh and I highly recommend powerline Ethernet, as I have the whole house wired on that:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CUD1M66/For anything that is near a plug and doesn't move, I pop one of those in place and I get great throughput. The only things on wireless are phones, tablets and laptops.
For the PowerLine ethernet to work, is it still a requirement that both of the Powerline adapters be on the same circuit?
I thought it was that they both had to be on the same leg of 110?
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All kinds of things can cause issues with powerline systems. They are better than they used to be but ideally you want same leg and same circuit and same everything for best results.
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@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
All kinds of things can cause issues with powerline systems. They are better than they used to be but ideally you want same leg and same circuit and same everything for best results.
What are the realistic chances of the same circuit though? In two adjoining rooms, maybe. But from one side of the house to the other, seems very unlikely.
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Yup, tends to work, but you just never know. Like wireless, you just have to test and see.
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@Dashrender said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
All kinds of things can cause issues with powerline systems. They are better than they used to be but ideally you want same leg and same circuit and same everything for best results.
What are the realistic chances of the same circuit though? In two adjoining rooms, maybe. But from one side of the house to the other, seems very unlikely.
Yea. There are sections of my house that have each wall receptacle on its own circuit! (Just the kitchen and one other room, but still).
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I wonder how North American units will work in Europe. Are they compatible at all? We'd consider travelling with them but would need to do some testing.
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@Dashrender said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
All kinds of things can cause issues with powerline systems. They are better than they used to be but ideally you want same leg and same circuit and same everything for best results.
What are the realistic chances of the same circuit though? In two adjoining rooms, maybe. But from one side of the house to the other, seems very unlikely.
You have to be just as careful about security with those as you do with wifi as well. If a number of houses are fed by the same transformer, I can read your network from the neighbors place....
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@travisdh1 said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Dashrender said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
All kinds of things can cause issues with powerline systems. They are better than they used to be but ideally you want same leg and same circuit and same everything for best results.
What are the realistic chances of the same circuit though? In two adjoining rooms, maybe. But from one side of the house to the other, seems very unlikely.
You have to be just as careful about security with those as you do with wifi as well. If a number of houses are fed by the same transformer, I can read your network from the neighbors place....
I'm not sure that the Powerline stuff is THAT strong yet. I could be wrong, lol. But I know a couple of years ago I was checking on it for someone and that having them all on the same circuit was still a requirement then, and they couldn't do it because they needed one in one part of the house, and one in the other.
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@travisdh1 When I was a kid we had powerline intercoms, same technology just less advanced. Our house and barn were different "houses" according to the power company but the intercom worked perfectly between them. So we used the "house to house" feature of powerline all the time growing up. Ethernet over Powerline would work fine there, too. Probably half of my dad's street would turn into a single LAN.
Netgear Prosafe Powerline systems uses IPSec to make each LAN it's own VPN to protect against this.
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@dafyre said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Dashrender said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
All kinds of things can cause issues with powerline systems. They are better than they used to be but ideally you want same leg and same circuit and same everything for best results.
What are the realistic chances of the same circuit though? In two adjoining rooms, maybe. But from one side of the house to the other, seems very unlikely.
Yea. There are sections of my house that have each wall receptacle on its own circuit! (Just the kitchen and one other room, but still).
This is typical. I think code requires that those areas be on GFI circuits to help prevent electrocutions.
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@dafyre said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@travisdh1 said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@Dashrender said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
@scottalanmiller said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
All kinds of things can cause issues with powerline systems. They are better than they used to be but ideally you want same leg and same circuit and same everything for best results.
What are the realistic chances of the same circuit though? In two adjoining rooms, maybe. But from one side of the house to the other, seems very unlikely.
You have to be just as careful about security with those as you do with wifi as well. If a number of houses are fed by the same transformer, I can read your network from the neighbors place....
I'm not sure that the Powerline stuff is THAT strong yet. I could be wrong, lol. But I know a couple of years ago I was checking on it for someone and that having them all on the same circuit was still a requirement then, and they couldn't do it because they needed one in one part of the house, and one in the other.
The thing about is is that it can easily do it or easily fail. It's unreliable both in that it might not work for your needs and unreliable in that you can count on it not stretching across town. If you are in an apartment building you would really have a high chance of bleed.
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@dafyre said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
I'm not sure that the Powerline stuff is THAT strong yet. I could be wrong, lol. But I know a couple of years ago I was checking on it for someone and that having them all on the same circuit was still a requirement then, and they couldn't do it because they needed one in one part of the house, and one in the other.
Ah yes. I could still read that data from the neighbors. Remember that the power going into the house is actually 240V that gets split to provide the 120V we're used to. So a power line thing plugged into a circuit connected to one side of the box will have difficulty talking to something on the other leg.
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@dafyre said in Home Wireless - Rewiring - Considering Ubiquiti:
I'm not sure that the Powerline stuff is THAT strong yet. I could be wrong, lol. But I know a couple of years ago I was checking on it for someone and that having them all on the same circuit was still a requirement then, and they couldn't do it because they needed one in one part of the house, and one in the other.
It is still a requirement per every vendor spec sheet. But that does not mean that it will not work. Basically as long as you are on the same leg of the 240 it will almost always work perfectly. They just won't sell it as such.
