Axigen X Released
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@aaronstuder said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Once on Linux or willing to be on Linux, Zimbra seems to be the main competitor. Zimbra is hard to compete with simply because free, open and been around a long time do a lot to get you a lot of ground quickly. But being free, Zimbra has issues getting access to some protocols and libraries that they want to use for push messaging. This is a much harder to compete in space, but appears to be far less of the target audience, but the website made it look like this was where they were aiming.
Is it still true that many of Zimbra's best features are paid for only?
Depends what you call best. Features a lot of us don't care about are, only one that is of concern to me is the push protocols. And that's not that big of a deal to me. Nice, but not critical. Very little is not in the free version.
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@axigen While I'm actively moving around, best way to see where I am with with Twitter.
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@aaronstuder said:
@DustinB3403 Can you setup Exchange in just a couple hours? Can you run Exchange without Active Directory?
The proper question is why would you even consider Exchange if you do not have an AD environment?
The answer is you would not. You pick your application servers based on the environment, not the other way around.
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So I'm testing it now. First thing I notice is that Bogdan's face pops up immediately wanting to talk to me
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So testing out the interface now and my first question is...
@axigen why no subject lines?
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@aaronstuder said:
@axigen can you get me a direct download link for the RPM? I want to use wget
Here it is: https://www.axigen.com/usr/files/axigen-10.0.0/axigen-10.0.0.x86_64.rpm.run
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@scottalanmiller said:
So I'm testing it now. First thing I notice is that Bogdan's face pops up immediately wanting to talk to me
That's not present in the on-premise trial
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Oh wait, EVERYTHING is in the subject. There is no email body!
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Definitely having interface issues using the Axigen email web client. It looks nice, for sure. But things like composing a message it hangs up on searching the CC field and the Subject field and so I have to wait a long time to be able to type an email, like 30 seconds or so... long enough that I move on to do something else. There isn't anywhere to type the email body, I get a spot for the subject, but everything that I type goes into the subject and there is no spot in the interface for a body of the email.
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The "initializing" bit never seems to go away.
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And it can't be that my Internet access is slow or not working as I'm surfing other sites and posting here without an issue from the same browser.
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Oh wait, there we go. It took seven minutes for a "body" field to pop up to type into!
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@scottalanmiller said:
Oh wait, there we go. It took seven minutes for a "body" field to pop up to type into!
Had devs look at this issue and it is specific to the demo site. Probably it will be optimized by the time you are in Transylvania ;). Will take the demo site offline for 5-10 mins now...
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@scottalanmiller said:
@aaronstuder said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Linux with Zimbra is not hosted, so not even in consideration.
How is it not hosted? You can install Zimbra on a linux hosted VM, just like anything else.....
Ah, is the issue that you don't know what hosted / SaaS means. I see.
Downloading software and getting SaaS (a hosted service) are wholly different things. Putting software onto IaaS makes the OS hosted, NOT the software, you are still the host. That would be the issue.
When people talk about hosted applications, that SaaS, and what you have been picturing is never what they mean. Never. A hosted application means that someone hosts it and manages it, not you. You are talking about an application that you still manage on your own system. It's not "on premises" but it is on your own OS. The OS being hosted is a different layer.
Glad I kept reading before posting - I think thinking exactly this.
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@axigen said:
@DustinB3403 said:
Is axigen supposed to be a competitor to O365?
The server side runs on Linux and management / support is provided by Axigen?
Axigen does not compete with O356. We are a software company providing a software product that can be used on multiple operating systems by business and service providers alike.
Correct, Axigen competes with On-Premise Exchange, Zambra, Domino, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@aaronstuder said:
@axigen provides:
Easy Setup
Easy Administration
Support
Windows and LinuxOkay, so do lots of email systems. The question would be...
Given that these are available ubiquitously, does it do one or more of these better than most everyone else? Or does it do something additional that everyone else does not do?
Those aren't selling points, really. They are good to have, but give what is on the market does all of that for free,
in a on-prem or customer hosted setup
what's the additional benefit? Have you used it personally? If so, why? What did you compare it against?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@aaronstuder said:
@axigen said:
Also I'd note that this initial thread here is not started by us. We were invited by @aaronstuder. I hoped that this would be a constructive conversation.
I hoped so too, but clearly @scottalanmiller likes to bash a product BEFORE he even tries if for himself. Also, I was hoping that @axigen might be a good vendor for @groovesocial to have, but with @scottalanmiller running people off not sure how that will happen now
I didn't bash it, I asked why you felt it was good. That's not the same. I pointed out that looking at the web site I saw nothing compelling and wanted to know what I should be looking for as the benefits were non-obvious.
This is a question that all IT people should be asking about any software they use. Heck it might be best to think of the following - find a free (probably Open Source) software that does what you want - layout the things it does and the things it doesn't. If there are things it doesn't do yet you need those things, then you keep looking to the next product.
Open Source/Free PBX is a great example. Start by looking at something like FreePBX. If it's missing some major feature you just have to have - fine go for a paid product. But if the paid product doesn't do anything better, maybe even substantially better than the free product, why would you pay for it?
The same thing is coming down here for Axigen. There is a free product, Zambra, that does everything this system claims to do. So why would you look at using Axigen over Zambra?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
So my main question is... taking a quick glance at this product it falls into the "who cares" category for me. I see nothing good about it on the surface and nothing to cause me to look any deeper. What's the proposed value? It's up against software that is fully free, way safer to use and has huge user bases and decades of refinement. What made you look at this software and not immediately browse away?
Here's the next thing that I said of any substance. Again, no bashing at all. I was clarifying that I looked, didn't see what had compelled you, and was looking for why you felt it was worth more investigation given that it has a licensing negative and is not free - which its competitors mostly are.
Again the competitors being Zambra, on-prem Exchange, not O365.
Very far from bashing. The only real "bashing" would be from the lack of a response as to why it has benefits.
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@scottalanmiller said:
The "initializing" bit never seems to go away.
@axigen There would sincerely be a bullet hole in my monitor where that dude's goofy ass face is... That's a resounding "NO EFFIN' WAY" on your product simply for including a chat head. Get rid of that shit.
