Ubiquiti Switches
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Sorry I was comparing the normal ones not the "Lite" Version.
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@scottalanmiller I hate Cisco because they so damn expensive.....
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@scottalanmiller other than price - what makes you dislike their stuff so much?
What equipment specifically is hobby level? I would have said their Linksys, but they sold that to Belkin.
What makes ERL so much better than and ASA (other than the starting ASA is 4-5 times the price)?
I'm guessing the ERL can do more because UNBT doesn't intentionally hamstring many router function forcing you to buy an even more expensive piece of gear to get a real router.Then there's the whole open source vs closed source thing.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller other than price - what makes you dislike their stuff so much?
Price is the key, but it's astronomic. For example, it is more than $3K to compare to a $95 Ubiquiti. So you get into the price range where you are dealing with home gear from Cisco in the price range of Ubiquiti - so price is so big that it starts to become other issues because Cisco sells things that are hobby level and Ubiquiti is enterprise only. So at some point, it's not just that Cisco costs more but that everything remotely in the product range is a toy and should never be considered.
Cisco support and engineering that I've dealt with actually crossed the line into offensive. Straight up lying to try to make sales combined with less than hobbyist networking knowledge from their engineers.
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@Dashrender said:
What equipment specifically is hobby level? I would have said their Linksys, but they sold that to Belkin.
It wasn't Linksys under Cisco, it was Cisco's name. Cisco's reputation and and quality is defined by what they stand behind. That old Linksys and Sipura gear is how Cisco sees their customers, plain and simple.
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@Dashrender said:
What makes ERL so much better than and ASA (other than the starting ASA is 4-5 times the price)?
Performance, features, source, security...
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So other than Linksys - what other gear specifically are you calling hobby gear from Cisco?
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@Dashrender said:
So other than Linksys - what other gear specifically are you calling hobby gear from Cisco?
Anything under $3K pretty much. And why do you require more as if several lines of gear aren't enough?
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And don't forget the Meraki line. It's not hobby, it's solid SMB, but it isn't on par with Ubiquiti which leaves Cisco, again, in the "it's not bad, it just fails to be good enough to ever discuss" category.
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When I was setting up a new building I wanted to purchase new Ubiquiti switches (non-cloud) and we needed POE ports for phones. they ended up purchasing a shitty Cisco switch that was under $500. Of course when they fail I'll be blamed.
Nihilism is the only thing making my job bearable right now
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@scottalanmiller said:
And don't forget the Meraki line. It's not hobby, it's solid SMB, but it isn't on par with Ubiquiti which leaves Cisco, again, in the "it's not bad, it just fails to be good enough to ever discuss" category.
I scoffed a bit at this... Having used Meraki and moved to a Ubiquiti router in the past this is just silly to say they are on par. Ubiquiti blew the Meraki out of the water in performance and usability.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And don't forget the Meraki line. It's not hobby, it's solid SMB, but it isn't on par with Ubiquiti which leaves Cisco, again, in the "it's not bad, it just fails to be good enough to ever discuss" category.
I scoffed a bit at this... Having used Meraki and moved to a Ubiquiti router in the past this is just silly to say they are on par. Ubiquiti blew the Meraki out of the water in performance and usability.
Thats what SAM said? That it isn't on par..?
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@NattNatt Oh... man I ... a word when I read his remark. Sorry.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
So other than Linksys - what other gear specifically are you calling hobby gear from Cisco?
Anything under $3K pretty much. And why do you require more as if several lines of gear aren't enough?
I guess I missed Sipura - and I've never heard of it. Where was it sold?
As for Linksys, they got rid of it remember, so it no longer counts on this list.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And don't forget the Meraki line. It's not hobby, it's solid SMB, but it isn't on par with Ubiquiti which leaves Cisco, again, in the "it's not bad, it just fails to be good enough to ever discuss" category.
I scoffed a bit at this... Having used Meraki and moved to a Ubiquiti router in the past this is just silly to say they are on par. Ubiquiti blew the Meraki out of the water in performance and usability.
REALLY??? Usability? how so?
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And don't forget the Meraki line. It's not hobby, it's solid SMB, but it isn't on par with Ubiquiti which leaves Cisco, again, in the "it's not bad, it just fails to be good enough to ever discuss" category.
I scoffed a bit at this... Having used Meraki and moved to a Ubiquiti router in the past this is just silly to say they are on par. Ubiquiti blew the Meraki out of the water in performance and usability.
REALLY??? Usability? how so?
Meraki dumbs everything down and hides a lot of feature they don't think you need access to. It is also nearly impossible to get any stats off the unit itself. Usage and memory are hidden and you need to contact support to see if you are overloading the unit. Most of the time it isn't a big deal but sometimes you really need those stats to troubleshoot a different issue.
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@Dashrender said:
I guess I missed Sipura - and I've never heard of it. Where was it sold?
Sipura was bought by Linksys and bought by Cisco as part of the Linksys purchase. Cisco put their Cisco brand on that stuff too. It all became Cisco.
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@Dashrender said:
As for Linksys, they got rid of it remember, so it no longer counts on this list.
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@Dashrender said:
As for Linksys, they got rid of it remember, so it no longer counts on this list.
That would be a marketing line. Cisco did buy and sell Linksys as an operating division, yes. That is irrelevant in the situation. Linksys was not kept as a product line while in Cisco, Cisco was all one thing. Cisco used the Linksys purchase to become a low end hobbyist company (additionally to other things.) That didn't change with the sell off. Linksys inspired gear is still in the lineup. Cisco changed who they were, selling the Linksys manufacturing division to Belkin did not change that.
Cisco's quality and level is defined by what they put their brand on. They put it on Linksys, they put it on Sipura, they put it on crap hobby gear and they continue to sell Cisco-brand products that come from the Linksys world, that Cisco apparently makes now.
This is not like IBM allowing Lenovo to brand their gear for a period of time while continuing to use IBM designs. This is gear made under Cisco auspices for Cisco (likely by Cisco themselves) that represents what the company engineers.
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