How do you find the right employer?
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@coliver said:
So posting here would be the right place... although not so much if you are looking for a new job discretely.
Posting publicly might not be the best if trying to be discrete. But many have connections at their current day job or other jobs they might know about. So sending PM's to others in the industry is a good idea let them help you look. That is how I got my current job @scottalanmiller referred me to the COO at one point in time. He got me in here
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How many people here we're able to drink at 18, and then not when the law changed to require you to be 21....
So @Minion-Queen the follow up question is if this is your second go with NTG and you in charge, was the company a bad fit for a time? What caused this to be the second time.
Is the relationship better between NTG and yourself and @art_of_shred now with this second go?
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@DustinB3403 said:
How many people here we're able to drink at 18, and then not when the law changed to require you to be 21....
So @Minion-Queen the follow up question is if this is your second go with NTG and you in charge, was the company a bad fit for a time? What caused this to be the second time.
Is the relationship better between NTG and yourself and @art_of_shred now with this second go?
The first time around I needed to take time off to raise my then very young son. We decided to home school so working was not an option for years. When we came back from the mission field @art_of_shred worked for him self and I needed to do something to earn some $$ as well. So Scott let me know about an opening.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Is the relationship better between NTG and yourself and @art_of_shred now with this second go?
The relationship was great before and having @art_of_shred work with/for me is awesome most of the time. Difficult sometimes due to we both can't always take time off at the same time.
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Is the closet I can find...
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So the question most people have to ask them selves when they are looking for that perfect relationship with their employer is a simple one.
Do I see myself growing with <Insert company name here>?
If they don't or see major issues that are deal-breakers (long nights, weekend coverage, uncooperative team members ) or whatever it might be that you have to move on.
Much like you have specifications in your personal life of who you want to be with the same has to be applied in work.
But your employer has to have these same standards, and that you meet or exceed them.
So how do you find out what those standards are, honestly, without already working for a potential employer?
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@DustinB3403 Again contacts that already are there or know the prospective employer well.
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@Minion-Queen said:
@DustinB3403 Again contacts that already are there or know the prospective employer well.
^ This.
If a friend says "Hey, this company I work for is pretty cool, and they have an IT opening. Why don't you check it out?"
I'd be heavily inclined to check that company out -- even if that friend doesn't work in the IT department.
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@Minion-Queen But how often does someone have those contacts with a potential employer?
Every job I've ever had, I've gone in blind, knowing no one at that potential job.
Now maybe that isn't the norm, but for me it is. So if you think of it like a blind date, you're effectively meeting on match.com or some other dating site.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
I've got some free beer tokens if you ever visit London.
Hey I'll be there this June!
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@Dashrender said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
I've got some free beer tokens if you ever visit London.
Hey I'll be there this June!
Ok, meet?
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@Minion-Queen said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
I've got some free beer tokens if you ever visit London.
Shush! He is TOO YOUNG for beer yet!
not in most of the world.
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You can vote for a President or enlist in the army, but not drink or smoke?
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@Breffni-Potter said:
You can vote for a President or enlist in the army, but not drink or smoke?
You can smoke....
That is often a slow painful death.... drinking you could immediately kill your self or others if you get behind the wheel...
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@Breffni-Potter said:
You can vote for a President or enlist in the army, but not drink or smoke?
Don't worry no one is doing either of those anyway here
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So my biggest piece of advice here is....
You always keep looking. Part of finding the right job is not settling for one that isn't the right one. Just like when dating you put your "Mrs. Right" as risk because you are busy dating "Ms. Right Now", even after you know that you are not long term compatible and you are not right for each other, I think that too many people settle for the job that they have, stop looking, stop working to make themselves more marketable, stop keeping their name out there and give up almost every chance that they have of making the connection.
Whether dating or job hunting, the chances of finding the right person or job for you is slim, you have to work hard to make sure that you are not taking away the chances that you have. You don't sit at home every Saturday night and hide and then wonder why you never meet any one. Likewise, you can't stop job hunting and wonder why the right job didn't come along.
Is that the answer? No. Finding the right job is very hard. But it is part of the answer. Finding the right job takes work and you can't settle. Your career is too short and the moment that you stop looking for the right job is the moment you stopping having any chance of finding it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
So my biggest piece of advice here is....
You always keep looking. Part of finding the right job is not settling for one that isn't the right one. Just like when dating you put your "Mrs. Right" as risk because you are busy dating "Ms. Right Now", even after you know that you are not long term compatible and you are not right for each other, I think that too many people settle for the job that they have, stop looking, stop working to make themselves more marketable, stop keeping their name out there and give up almost every chance that they have of making the connection.
Whether dating or job hunting, the chances of finding the right person or job for you is slim, you have to work hard to make sure that you are not taking away the chances that you have. You don't sit at home every Saturday night and hide and then wonder why you never meet any one. Likewise, you can't stop job hunting and wonder why the right job didn't come along.
Is that the answer? No. Finding the right job is very hard. But it is part of the answer. Finding the right job takes work and you can't settle. Your career is too short and the moment that you stop looking for the right job is the moment you stopping having any chance of finding it.
How do I diversify myself enough to make myself the right person for a good amount of jobs. Jack of all trades running domains, exchange, file servers, VM's, Managed Switches, etc?
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@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
So my biggest piece of advice here is....
You always keep looking. Part of finding the right job is not settling for one that isn't the right one. Just like when dating you put your "Mrs. Right" as risk because you are busy dating "Ms. Right Now", even after you know that you are not long term compatible and you are not right for each other, I think that too many people settle for the job that they have, stop looking, stop working to make themselves more marketable, stop keeping their name out there and give up almost every chance that they have of making the connection.
Whether dating or job hunting, the chances of finding the right person or job for you is slim, you have to work hard to make sure that you are not taking away the chances that you have. You don't sit at home every Saturday night and hide and then wonder why you never meet any one. Likewise, you can't stop job hunting and wonder why the right job didn't come along.
Is that the answer? No. Finding the right job is very hard. But it is part of the answer. Finding the right job takes work and you can't settle. Your career is too short and the moment that you stop looking for the right job is the moment you stopping having any chance of finding it.
How do I diversify myself enough to make myself the right person for a good amount of jobs. Jack of all trades running exchange, file servers, VM's, Managed Switches, etc?
Yeah - I'm in the same boat - I kinda feel that most people here are ML are in that same boat -though some might be a bit more skilled at one thing or the other that they have manged here or there.
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Whoever said "on sites like this" has a good idea. @NTG has been hiring from communities of well matched people for a very long time. We haven't solicited resumes in, well, forever. I'm not sure we ever did. How we hire has changed over the years, but the basics are the same - we don't hire through random resumes and anonymous connections. We work with people that make sense. And vice versa. People who apply to work or ask to work or excited to work with NTG aren't excited because "it's a job", which is what most companies get, we get people who are excited because they already know their coworkers, already know their boss(es), already know the kind of work that we do, where we are based and what the culture is like. They've probably been out drinking with us. They've probably seen the offices, met in person, had dinner. They've probably been in contact for years.
By the time we are actually hiring the relationship is in place. Sure, it doesn't always match correctly. Sometimes it is the working from home that catches people off guard. Sometimes it is the hours. Sometimes the MSP lifestyle just isn't right or whatever. But the chances of success are so much higher and the opportunity to find people who are coming in for "forever" is easily 1,000% that of a normal company. Any typically people who stay past the the year mark or so... we know that they are likely to retire from here. Several have.
It's a much harder process for hiring on both sides, but the results are very different, too.
