VMware Axes the Workstation and Fusion Teams
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@StrongBad said:
@Kelly said:
@StrongBad said:
@Kelly said:
@StrongBad said:
Do many government agencies in the west use type 2 virtualization? I'm not saying they don't, but don't know where they would, either.
We are a government contractor and use a lot of type 2 hypervisors (mostly virtual box), and what the government says they can use is typically applied to anyone downstream.
What do you use them for?
Our scientists run computations locally using VMs.
And the upstream agencies would dictate the available hypervisor options?
is this like Linux computation nodes running on Windows desktops?
Upstream can dictate what they will allow their data to sit on or they won't give us their data. We've already had one agency tell us that we cannot use any Lenovo hardware in support of their systems.
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@Kelly said:
Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.
There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.
There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?
They are running the computations locally on their laptop.
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@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.
There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?
They are running the computations locally on their laptop.
Can't they run them on the base OS?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.
There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?
They are running the computations locally on their laptop.
Can't they run them on the base OS?
The tools they need run much better in Linux, and these are all MBPs.
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@aaron said:
This is disappointing, I like Fusion. I will never buy Parallels again after they started serving me pop-up advertising to the VM host.
I never liked any of them. VirtualBox is So good.
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@aaron said:
This is disappointing, I like Fusion. I will never buy Parallels again after they started serving me pop-up advertising to the VM host.
I have used Parallels since version 7 or so and have never seen this.
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@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.
There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?
They are running the computations locally on their laptop.
Can't they run them on the base OS?
The tools they need run much better in Linux, and these are all MBPs.
The idea of running this locally seems weird - why wouldn't you want to use the power available in a DC instead of the mundane amount on a laptop? unless of course the DC is either overloaded or just has old junk hardware.
This whole situation just seems weird to me.
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@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.
There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?
They are running the computations locally on their laptop.
Can't they run them on the base OS?
The tools they need run much better in Linux, and these are all MBPs.
The idea of running this locally seems weird - why wouldn't you want to use the power available in a DC instead of the mundane amount on a laptop? unless of course the DC is either overloaded or just has old junk hardware.
This whole situation just seems weird to me.
Yup, decisions were made. Some good, some bad. Either way, that is the culture here, now. I'm working toward something that might move the compute to servers, but it will take time.
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@Kelly said:
We've already had one agency tell us that we cannot use any Lenovo hardware in support of their systems.
Falls off chair
An agency actually said no to Lenovo products?!?
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@Breffni-Potter said:
@Kelly said:
We've already had one agency tell us that we cannot use any Lenovo hardware in support of their systems.
Falls off chair
An agency actually said no to Lenovo products?!?
Anyone paying any attention at all to security would be doing that right now. Not surprising at all.
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@Kelly said:
We've already had one agency tell us that we cannot use any Lenovo hardware in support of their systems.
That is so awesome.
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@travisdh1 said:
Anyone paying any attention at all to security would be doing that right now. Not surprising at all.
This is the surprising part..
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@travisdh1 said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
@Kelly said:
We've already had one agency tell us that we cannot use any Lenovo hardware in support of their systems.
Falls off chair
An agency actually said no to Lenovo products?!?
Anyone paying any attention at all to security would be doing that right now. Not surprising at all.
Yeah actually it's quite surprising that someone that high up would be willing to listen and do the right thing.
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@JaredBusch said:
@travisdh1 said:
Anyone paying any attention at all to security would be doing that right now. Not surprising at all.
This is the surprising part..
Hence my fall off the chair reaction...
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@Dashrender said:
The idea of running this locally seems weird - why wouldn't you want to use the power available in a DC instead of the mundane amount on a laptop?
I used to enjoy workstation as it was a slick way to spin up vm's on my laptop for testing stuff. Switched to virtualbox and haven't looked back.
Edit: related note, if you think that'd be handy for yourself too, get a 500gb SSD and 16/32GB of RAM. You can have VM's up and down in only seconds. This is on a cheap i5-3210M 2.5ghz, nothing fancy.
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@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
The idea of running this locally seems weird - why wouldn't you want to use the power available in a DC instead of the mundane amount on a laptop?
I used to enjoy workstation as it was a slick way to spin up vm's on my laptop for testing stuff. Switched to virtualbox and haven't looked back.
Edit: related note, if you think that'd be handy for yourself too, get a 500gb SSD and 16/32GB of RAM. You can have VM's up and down in only seconds. This is on a cheap i5-3210M 2.5ghz, nothing fancy.
You're not the use case we were talking about though. They are crunching numbers, etc - that sounds like something that should be kept in-house (in datacenter), not randomly running on some laptop that someone takes home.
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Depends how and where they are using the numbers and how much crunching needs to be done.
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@scottalanmiller I agree on @Dashrender with this one, production stuff should be on production gear unless it's a really tiny job
