VMware Axes the Workstation and Fusion Teams
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@Kelly said:
@StrongBad said:
Do many government agencies in the west use type 2 virtualization? I'm not saying they don't, but don't know where they would, either.
We are a government contractor and use a lot of type 2 hypervisors (mostly virtual box), and what the government says they can use is typically applied to anyone downstream.
What do you use them for?
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Will it affect VMware? Their marketing is immense. People won't notice.
People are already noticing. My little slice of the world sees Vmware adoption in the negatives. Seems that they are near a tipping point.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
Will it affect VMware? Their marketing is immense. People won't notice.
People are already noticing. My little slice of the world sees Vmware adoption in the negatives. Seems that they are near a tipping point.
I still think they won't
I'm basing this on the fact that Lenovo can get away with what it does and still see blind adoption.
VMware have not done anything that stupid or dangerous, so there'll be no reason for their group to jump ship.
Well...Unless the communist back door argument gets made.
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@StrongBad said:
@Kelly said:
@StrongBad said:
Do many government agencies in the west use type 2 virtualization? I'm not saying they don't, but don't know where they would, either.
We are a government contractor and use a lot of type 2 hypervisors (mostly virtual box), and what the government says they can use is typically applied to anyone downstream.
What do you use them for?
Our scientists run computations locally using VMs.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
Will it affect VMware? Their marketing is immense. People won't notice.
People are already noticing. My little slice of the world sees Vmware adoption in the negatives. Seems that they are near a tipping point.
I still think they won't
I'm basing this on the fact that Lenovo can get away with what it does and still see blind adoption.
VMware have not done anything that stupid or dangerous, so there'll be no reason for their group to jump ship.
Well...Unless the communist back door argument gets made.
It's a valid point. But, and I could easily be wrong, I feel like hypervisor selection is slightly more rigorous than desktop selection.
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@Kelly said:
@StrongBad said:
@Kelly said:
@StrongBad said:
Do many government agencies in the west use type 2 virtualization? I'm not saying they don't, but don't know where they would, either.
We are a government contractor and use a lot of type 2 hypervisors (mostly virtual box), and what the government says they can use is typically applied to anyone downstream.
What do you use them for?
Our scientists run computations locally using VMs.
And the upstream agencies would dictate the available hypervisor options?
is this like Linux computation nodes running on Windows desktops?
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@Kelly said:
@StrongBad said:
Do many government agencies in the west use type 2 virtualization? I'm not saying they don't, but don't know where they would, either.
We are a government contractor and use a lot of type 2 hypervisors (mostly virtual box),
Might I ask - Why?
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@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
@StrongBad said:
Do many government agencies in the west use type 2 virtualization? I'm not saying they don't, but don't know where they would, either.
We are a government contractor and use a lot of type 2 hypervisors (mostly virtual box),
Might I ask - Why?
Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.
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@StrongBad said:
@Kelly said:
@StrongBad said:
@Kelly said:
@StrongBad said:
Do many government agencies in the west use type 2 virtualization? I'm not saying they don't, but don't know where they would, either.
We are a government contractor and use a lot of type 2 hypervisors (mostly virtual box), and what the government says they can use is typically applied to anyone downstream.
What do you use them for?
Our scientists run computations locally using VMs.
And the upstream agencies would dictate the available hypervisor options?
is this like Linux computation nodes running on Windows desktops?
Upstream can dictate what they will allow their data to sit on or they won't give us their data. We've already had one agency tell us that we cannot use any Lenovo hardware in support of their systems.
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@Kelly said:
Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.
There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.
There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?
They are running the computations locally on their laptop.
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@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.
There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?
They are running the computations locally on their laptop.
Can't they run them on the base OS?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.
There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?
They are running the computations locally on their laptop.
Can't they run them on the base OS?
The tools they need run much better in Linux, and these are all MBPs.
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@aaron said:
This is disappointing, I like Fusion. I will never buy Parallels again after they started serving me pop-up advertising to the VM host.
I never liked any of them. VirtualBox is So good.
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@aaron said:
This is disappointing, I like Fusion. I will never buy Parallels again after they started serving me pop-up advertising to the VM host.
I have used Parallels since version 7 or so and have never seen this.
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@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.
There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?
They are running the computations locally on their laptop.
Can't they run them on the base OS?
The tools they need run much better in Linux, and these are all MBPs.
The idea of running this locally seems weird - why wouldn't you want to use the power available in a DC instead of the mundane amount on a laptop? unless of course the DC is either overloaded or just has old junk hardware.
This whole situation just seems weird to me.
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@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly said:
Flexibility and control mostly. So they can work from home or remotely without the tax of VPN.
There must be a piece missing here, how does the VirtualBox instance remove the need for a VPN?
They are running the computations locally on their laptop.
Can't they run them on the base OS?
The tools they need run much better in Linux, and these are all MBPs.
The idea of running this locally seems weird - why wouldn't you want to use the power available in a DC instead of the mundane amount on a laptop? unless of course the DC is either overloaded or just has old junk hardware.
This whole situation just seems weird to me.
Yup, decisions were made. Some good, some bad. Either way, that is the culture here, now. I'm working toward something that might move the compute to servers, but it will take time.
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@Kelly said:
We've already had one agency tell us that we cannot use any Lenovo hardware in support of their systems.
Falls off chair
An agency actually said no to Lenovo products?!?
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@Breffni-Potter said:
@Kelly said:
We've already had one agency tell us that we cannot use any Lenovo hardware in support of their systems.
Falls off chair
An agency actually said no to Lenovo products?!?
Anyone paying any attention at all to security would be doing that right now. Not surprising at all.
