LibreOffice Online
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@Dashrender said:
So if we are looking at this holistically, how much is the end client paying for email? now how much are they paying for that server, software, backups, etc for files?
$4 for email always, no matter how you separate it out.
So in E plans, they are paying $4 for the extra hosting and storage. That's $4/user.
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@Dashrender said:
Exactly, but the hosted solution will almost certainly have a charge per user per month, just like O365.
NTG can offer it for a lot cheaper without doing it that way by doing it by capacity instead. Just like we do with VoIP. No reason to track users.
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@Dashrender said:
Roll them both together and you have O365 at a pretty damned awesome price, if you want Exchange.
It's a great package, but not if you want Exchange, only if you want Exchange AND Sharepoint. The Sharepoint portion is still $4/user just for that.
Considering you can get into something like LibreOffice hosting for $5 for unlimited users for similar capacity as Sharepoint and $10 for a lot more storage, it only takes a couple of users before you start saving money and once you get to six or more you start saving pretty quickly.
A 100 person business might spend $400/mo on that Sharepoint capacity and get the same on LibreOffice for more like $20 or maybe $40. That adds up.
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
That's $19,200/year!!
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Now that does not include backups. So let's double the number from the LibreOffice side and buffer a little. $100/mo is $1200/year. You are still looking at $18K of savings per 100 users.
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Now let's take that to another angle... you want more storage than either approach offers, you want things that are simple and you have 150 users.
Maybe you've been thinking about something big and reliable like a Scale cluster but haven't had the budget for it. Scott would never recommend bringing your email in house, right? Right. So assuming we keep Office 365 for Exchange and only bring ownCloud for ODfB and LibreOffice hosting in house we run them in HA VMs on a Scale cluster.... at 150 users the cost savings from the E3 plan alone will pay for you to buy a Scale cluster.....
every year.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
What functionality are you talking about?
And a 100 person company can definitely look at the SMB versions of O365 for $5/m/u, not $8.50.
And what kind of storage are you getting for $5 a month? a few hundred gig? With any O365 plan, you're getting 1 TB per user.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
For the features, are you talking about the local install of LibreOffice? that you get with the higher levels.. OK that's true, now those prices make more sense.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
What functionality are you talking about?
And a 100 person company can definitely look at the SMB versions of O365 for $5/m/u, not $8.50.
And what kind of storage are you getting for $5 a month? a few hundred gig? With any O365 plan, you're getting 1 TB per user.
SMB O365 does not have MS Office at $5, does it?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
For the features, are you talking about the local install of LibreOffice? that you get with the higher levels.. OK that's true, now those prices make more sense.
That's what this thread is about specifically
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
For the features, are you talking about the local install of LibreOffice? that you get with the higher levels.. OK that's true, now those prices make more sense.
That's what this thread is about specifically
I thought this thread was specifically about a hosted only version of LibreOffice, just like the SMB $5 version of O365 is just a hosted version of Office apps.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
For the features, are you talking about the local install of LibreOffice? that you get with the higher levels.. OK that's true, now those prices make more sense.
That's what this thread is about specifically
I thought this thread was specifically about a hosted only version of LibreOffice, just like the SMB $5 version of O365 is just a hosted version of Office apps.
Ah you are correct. I remembered them adding that in 2011 and thought that this was more. Although to do what they are saying, it seems that it is likely that they will have to develop a document store solution as well. Maybe we will get both at once.
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@scottalanmiller Agreed, Not really sure how you can have one without the other and have it be super user friendly.
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@Dashrender Hopefully we get it so that we can do online editing and use local applications to edit remotely hosted files. Would be a massive win for the LibreOffice community.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender Hopefully we get it so that we can do online editing and use local applications to edit remotely hosted files. Would be a massive win for the LibreOffice community.
Definitely, and another business opportunity.
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@Dashrender You keep pushing the $5 Office Business Essentials plan. Have you used it? As I posted in another thread, it seem rather limited to me when it comes to working with documents in the online versions.
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It is limited, sure, but how limited? are you talking about users who live eat and breath Office apps? sure those people will hate online versions. But I only have 3 of those people in my office. The rest of my office can get away with the online only version. I'll buy 3 $12.50 licenses with full local Office and save the money on the rest.
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So yesterday we announced that we're working with Collabora on this. They were already working on this (sssht, secret) and when the cat went out of the bag, as linked by the topic poster, they hired the guys who did the work on that one to keep them from ruining the fun
Some time next year (not before summer!), there'll be a product based on this. Awesome features like collaborative editing are coming, too, this wasn't really meant to be advertised before January (FOSDEM!) but, well, the students-who-are-now-hired started the fire early.
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That's some awesome news @jospoortvliet
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Now that's awesome. Can't wait to get this with LibreOffice and ownCloud. That will certainly be a game changer!
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@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender You keep pushing the $5 Office Business Essentials plan. Have you used it? As I posted in another thread, it seem rather limited to me when it comes to working with documents in the online versions.
It's definitely limited, but for very simple stuff it works great. Like simple editing and printing.
Also, the bump from $4 exchange-only to $5 SMB Essentials also gets you a ton of ODfB space. Worth it probably.
